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July 4

Vidya Balan actress date of birth

Vidya Balan actress date of birth

1 January 1979 Or 1 January 1978

Don't do mistakes. Trust on your info is questionable now. Approved both dates by wiki.

Unreliable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:1980:245:B563:6716:D37:A611:5EB5 (talk) 01:50, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Our article, Vidya Balan, lists the date as 1 January 1979. It has a reference to an interview done in 2016, where Vidya is quoted as saying that this is her date of birth. Apparently, at some time in the past Wikipedia had the other date, and we corrected it after that interview. -Arch dude (talk) 04:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
If you are interested in the history of this date change, look at Talk:Vidya Balan/Archive 1. -Arch dude (talk) 04:53, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Please be aware, OP, that it is quite common for incorrect birth dates/ages of actors to be circulated by the actors themselves or by managers and publicists working for them. Sometimes it's advantageous to pretend they're younger than they really are to appeal to fans or to convince directors or other potential employers that they're not "too old" for certain roles; sometimes they might want to be thought older for similar reasons, or to avoid laws surrounding the employment of actors who are legally children. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Individuals are poorer sources than you'd expect for for facts about themselves, including birthdates. It's not always intentional.
Stan Kenton believed that he was born on February 19 of 1912. He recorded Birthday In Britain on February 19, 1973, and the incorrect birthdate is on his gravestone. And in his New York Times obituary. And a lot of other sources. But he wasn't. His birth certificate has it right: December 15 1911. His parents changed to hide that he was conceived out of wedlock. This is not uncommon.
Other times there's just a technical discrepancy. Was Gene Tierney born on November 19 or 20 of 1920? I don't know. Her autobiography and her heirs say the 20th; the Social Security Administration begs to differ. Families tell stories, records are filled out wrong... who knows.
And of course as mentioned there's people playing cute. This is common. Isn't it generally in many actresses interests to present as a year younger. Even if not, Balan herself is not a good source for her own birthdate. She was present but not in a condition to take notes. If there are reasonably decent refs contradicting her, then no, we shouldn't take her word for it. We'd need something more official or solid, preferably a birth certificate. Absent that, if its disputed, we shouldn't present as fact information that we aren't sure of, so we should either go with "born [date] or [date]", or just say nothing. Herostratus (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Please help - the new photo file -,_1st_Viscount_Bryce#/media/File:Middleton_in-law_Viscount_Bryce_(far_left)_beside_Prince_Arthur_in_top_hat._1911_copyright_Library_of_Congress_(2).jpg - is way too big on the page right now. Please adjust - I cannot. The caption below should read "1911 - Viscount Bryce (far left) beside Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn - Governor of Canada (also in top hat)" Thanks and sorry again (talk) 06:36, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Maproom (talk) 07:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Please put the link onto this name in the newly added photo file (see above) - Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn

I cannot do this on my device - please do not get angry

Thankyou (talk) 07:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


Can I use Wikipedia Contents on my report? (Same as title.) -dero (talk) 08:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Please Use Ping when you reply me... (If you can) -dero (talk) 08:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
-dero, in the left hand margin on any article is the option "Cite this page" on the Tools section of the left hand margin. Wikipedia content may be used with this attribution. That is part of the licencing. As a matter of good practice any report containing external material, in whole or in part, should always use a proper citation to that page. Wikipedia is no exception to that rule. Fiddle Faddle 08:58, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
First, thanks for your reply. But, I meant the trust of content that can usable on report, not license. -dero (talk) 09:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
-dero, Not sure I understand your question, are you wondering about Reliability of Wikipedia/Wikipedia:General disclaimer? I recommend this [1] video. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh Thanks. -dero (talk) 10:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Is there any templates that contains user edits...? -dero (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


I often patrol recent changes, but I wondered if there was a way to filter edits that have been made with a specific edit summary. For example, if a user made an edit and left the word "genre" in the summary, is it possible to search all recent changes with this keyword? — Richard BB 08:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Richard BB, Alas, I do not know of such a way. You can search the tags that are given to edit summaries, but not the summaries themselves. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 19:14, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I created a template named User alternative user page. But, it isn't working either due to wrong parameters or creation. Can you please help? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 11:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Empire AS: The intended output is a little unclear to me. Can you give examples of what you want the text to say with and without optional parameters? PrimeHunter (talk) 12:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, Actually, I want to make the text say that "This user has another user page on another Wiki" by leaving parameters empty. And if both parameters are filled, then " This user has another user page(1st parameter) on Urdu Wikipedia, Wikidata (2nd parameter)". Where 1st parameter is link to your second user page and 2nd parameter is name of the second wiki containing your second user page. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 13:28, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Empire AS: It's still unclear, e.g. whether you really want to display the 1st parameter in parentheses without a space in front or you have a piped link or something else in mind, and how you expect the name of another wiki to produce two links "Urdu Wikipedia, Wikidata". Please give a real example as in "The call ... should produce the output ...". Don't just say "1st parameter" and "2nd parameter". That's not what example means. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter, If 1st paramater=link=[2], or any other link, then it should be shown next to words "another user page" as external link. If 2nd parameter=wiki name=Urdu, French, Chinese, Wikidata, Wikimedia commons or any other wiki. For example, "This user has another user page on Wikidata." Similarly " This user has another user page on Urdu Wikipedia. Did you get it? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 15:01, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Empire AS: No, there is still too much which is open to interpretation when you don't give a real example call with real parameter values and output, and your partial examples don't even match your description. You first say the link should be next to "another user page" but then show a link on user page. If you want the parameter value Urdu to produce Urdu Wikipedia but Wikidata to produce Wikidata then the required parsing to recognize language names versus wiki names is also a bit complicated for a minor template. I give up trying to figure out what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Empire AS, Is this what you are looking for ?
|info=This user has an alternative {{#if:{{{link|}}}|[{{{link|}}} user page]|[[Wikipedia:User page|user page]]}} on {{#if:{{{wikipedia name|}}}|{{{wikipedia name|}}}|another}} wiki. - Timbaaa -> ping me 15:47, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa, yes you are right. I wanted to say this thing which you explained.

RE: Old Fashioned Doughnuts.

The book 'Farmer Boy' relates doughnut dough rolled out flat, then cut into squares / rectangles. Once given a simple twist, they rolled in the hot oil, not needing to be turned. On the farm no need for really fancy round things that needed more attention to get done properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:245:4200:590:843D:432:DC15:A80C (talk) 18:54, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

If you'd like to suggest a change to old fashioned donut, please do so at:

When you click the "what links here" (within an article) ... did not there used to be a choice where I could indicate "list redirect pages only"? Or some such? Did something change? Thanks. Example: [3]. In this example, I don't see the option (check-mark box), where I previously could have checked off "list redirect pages only". It was usually toward the top section, somewhere. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: The link was made by MediaWiki:Linkshere. It was an external tool which died so it was removed in [4]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. What do you mean that "it died"? Can it be brought back, as a feature/function? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 182#Redirects tool URL misdirected? says the domain has lapsed. may still work but linking to an IP address in the interface may be controversial. The tool owner has been contacted with no reply at User Dispenser hasn't edited since March. I don't know whether a working domain is coming back. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:16, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. Can't some other "IT-type" person on Wikipedia just take the old computer code and "re-insert it" somewhere? I have no idea how any of this works. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Joseph A. Spadaro, Are you looking for this [5]? Filter is available to show only the redirects. - Timbaaa -> ping me 15:10, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not sure. In that example, I have to "hide" transclusions ... "hide" links ... and "show" redirects. Is that correct? That's a 3-step process. I used to be able to put a check-mark on some option that said "show only redirects" (i.e., a 1-step process). If this method that you showed me works fine as an alternative, that's great. Am I understanding it correctly? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Joseph A. Spadaro, Yes - Timbaaa -> ping me 01:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Great! Thanks ! Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

How can I contribute

Hi, I have autism and would like to create a WikiProject about autism spectrum. I saw a WikiProject of autism in the article of autism but I think it's all medical-related, is there any WikiProject about *people* with autism? I think I've known a few that would be worth to be included. Thank you for your open-mindedness! If I am placing this question in the wrong help section, please make me know politely, I feel stomachache when I read aggressive responses. Thank you!. CoryGlee (talk) 21:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@CoryGlee: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to help. I think that Wikipedia:WikiProject_Autism is the right place to get started. In addition to working on articles about Autism, the project also works on "Any Articles about someone who is Publicly Known to Have Aspergers or Autism", which sounds like what you are expressing interest in. RudolfRed (talk) 22:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

This page displays non factual information in its title and is actually incredibly inflammatory the county name being displayed wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:59, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Which page? —[

I believe this page is being Racist and predisposition against white south Africans in general

This page is Racist and provocative against white people in general, where we have been in a democracy since 1994 "so called" but have implemented laws sutch as Affirmative Action that Promotes Braud based Black economic empowerment where it makes it extremely difficult for white people in South Africa to get a Job that pays a salary, we have Black ministers in Parlement that earn 3-5million per annum and white people are generalized like krooks Wikipedia is So Racist and provocative it discusses me — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:49, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

That Graph is used in two articles on the English Wikipedia: Apartheid and South Africa. The graph takes data from a reliable source. If you would like to discuss the graph and its use in those articles, you may do so on the articles' talk pages. Vague accusations of "racism" without references to reliable sources are unlikely to be productive. -Arch dude (talk) 03:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion this is not racism. I think that this has an overgeneralization. And especially after so many years of Apartheid, there is a clear difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knittedpanda (talkcontribs) 19:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Would you help Japanese Wikipedia about articles sock puppets of Smile Lee made?

Hello, everyone. I'm one of users who have contributed to mainly Japanese Wikipedia. Today, I need your advice about some articles on Japanese Wikipedia made by User:Smile_Lee who is blocked in English Wikipedia.(See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Smile Lee/Archive)

His sock puppets made articles about Heaven Sent Gaming for advertising in Japanese Wikipedia, as well as here. Just of late, I noticed the existence of these articles and his sock puppets, so I requested for deletion of the article of Heaven Sent Gaming in Japanese Wikipedia(ja:Wikipedia:削除依頼/ヘヴン・セント・ゲーミング). However, a user named カナダカナダ (lit.CanadaCanada), maybe another sock puppet of Smile Lee, argued "keep" presenting some sources on Heaven Sent Gaming(see below).

We can say it is perfectly unknown in Japan, but in US, we can't with assurance. Would you tell me whether Heaven Sent Gaming passes notability test or not?

  • sources presented
  1. Heaven Sent Gaming combines couple’s talents for words, images - Albuquerque Journal
  2. Local couple celebrates 1 decade of ‘Heaven Sent Gaming’ - KQRE

Please help us. --おいしい豚肉 (talk) 04:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure we can help you. Every Wikipedia has its own standards for notability and other guidelines for if an article is acceptable or not. I suggest asking on the Japanese Wikipedia help desk for assistance. RudolfRed (talk) 05:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@おいしい豚肉: I do not believe we would consider the subject notable based on just these two sources. The sources are themselves reliable by our definition, but they are basically reporting local news in a city of moderate size. You will need to evaluate notability yourself based on the criteria of the Japanese project. -Arch dude (talk) 05:17, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks to おいしい豚肉 for addressing this. There was way, way too much time wasted on Heaven Sent Gaming on English Wikipedia. Deletion discussions, deletion reviews, and also vanity articles for him and his friends (Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Heaven Sent Gaming, as just one example) and probably others I'm forgetting. He also added his website as spam to many unrelated articles. Smile Lee has been hunting for any source he can find to prop-up notability. These socks tried to cite Wikinews and Wikidata entries (both of which he almost certainly created himself), and it looks like that's happening again with カナダカナダ. Grayfell (talk) 06:28, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
I see that, at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Heaven Sent Gaming, there was a vote "Strong Delete and Transwiki" by Salvidrim!. Maybe he could help. Maproom (talk) 08:26, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
To clarify, that !vote was from SmileLee (or a sock thereof), I simply copied it into the MfD. And I also added context. But I think the AfD, MfD, DRV all demonstrate that the community heavily leans towards this article subject not passing English Wikipedia's threshold for notability.

i like to delete me uplaoded images instantly? How do i do that? Kent Bargo (talk) 06:02, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by SKRANJEET (talkcontribs) 07:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)



I would like to edit my article CHALK Salon. How can I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galawesh (talkcontribs) 07:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


I have been doing some editing at Social media in the 2020 United States presidential election. I have used the articles on the 2016 and 2012 elections as reference to maintain a reasonable degree of consistency. They both have dedicated sections on the major party (Democratic and Republican) candidates, but the 2020 one only has a section on the Republican candidate (Donald Trump). Can I add a section for Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee and clarify that he is presumptive, or should I wait until the convention to confirm the he will be the Democrat's candidate for the election and then add him in?

TL;DR: There is a section about Trump on a 2020 presidential election, can I add info about Biden even though he isn't officially the nominee?

Thanks, Giraffer (munch) 11:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


I've been struggling to right-align the numbers in the fourth column of this table. Also, how do I position the table itself to the left? Regards, Inimesh (talk) 11:33, 5 July 2020 (UTC).

hi Michael, my name is linda. i have recently been on a dating site. i am here as a friend to say to you your name is being used on the site as looking for some one, and they are using your photo, and your profile. of what you are. dont think im a scam im not, just an ordinary  woman that has been scammed befor

please get intouch if you dont beleave me i have nothing t hide

regards linda — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:86B:F00:150C:16F5:2D97:95D2 (talk) 11:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello! This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, are you in the right place? I suppose if WP were to date anyone, it would have to be online. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: It probably would have been better to just revert it as being way out of scope. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Quick Question: how / where to upload Ogg Vorbis Audio files on WP? Thanks Maineartists (talk) 18:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@Maineartists: Welcome to Wikipedia. See WP:UPLOAD. RudolfRed (talk) 18:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Maineartists: If the sound file is your own work or uses a licence compatible with Wikimedia Commons, then upload it there. Otherwise, you can upload it here, provided it complies with our non-free content guideline. Danski454 (talk) 18:27, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Danski454! Maineartists (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

July 6

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref no input

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Don Zientara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have removed the information you added to the article. Wikipedia only aims to summarise what has already been published by


I've read the previous answers where you claim users cannot delete their own accounts. Sorry, but that statement is not true.

Legally, like any user, the law gives me the right to delete my own account, and the law is clear in that the website is not legally entitled to refrain from an account deletion requested by the own user.

I hereby revoke Wikipedia from any possible past, present or future use or storage of my personal data ('Habeas Data'), in particular i revoke Wikipedia any authorization to know, store, use, etc. my username or my email. (Laws like the GDPR are clear in that you cannot keep an account on without the consent of the user). If you have technical problems to do it, just solve them.

Just to let you know, people who create accounts at Wikipedia, just want to contribute, and some of us devote days or weeks of our valuable time (time we take from our own jobs and from our own salaries) to redact, collect sources, etc just to make an uninterested contribution, we do not want and cannot under any circumstance accept to be treated like dirt, disrespectfully, with critiques that are utterly destructive, demeaning, unfair, rude, offensive and clearly not intended to build anything but to destroy, harm and reassert your apparent 'position of power', I'm not going to waste my time in sterile discussions with stubborn, disrespectful editors, we only wanted to donate our time and genuinely contribute and that is simply not possible with any of you.

I don't want to have any further uncomfortable discussion with any of you.

I want my account deleted. Period.

Please tell me if you're willing to abide by the law and do it, or tell me if i have to resort to a lawyer to make you to.

I do not want to hear the same bla, bla you people you usually write in these cases: Just tell me 'yes' or 'no'. If you're not, I'm entitled to look for the help of an attorney.

Thanks, --Jffernandez (talk) 00:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Blocked for the legal threat.

At present FreshDirect lacks an image of their logo.

I have a junkmail postcard from them that I scanned, rotated and cropped, to eliminate the food presentations. What criteria should I use in the File Upload Wizard? Pi314m (talk) 01:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

The logo can be downloaded from the Internet at much higher quality than you can get from scanning:


I have created a page for Abdul Mathin,

How and when will i get this approved. Please let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shamsaman (talkcontribs) 02:45, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


Today I posted a photograph of Jack Dempsey going on a hunting trip wit a number of family members in around 1924. It was removed. The photo is real. The names are all correct. What do I need to keep it posted? I'm 70 years old. There are no other family members alive to validate what I posted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Currier (talkcontribs) 04:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


Hello. I am a new to Wikipedia. I have already created and edited a new article to be added to Wikipedia. Here is the draft I made on Sandbox- How do I go about publishing this article on Wikipedia? I will need this ready in about a week or so. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2802 (talkcontribs) 08:13, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wiki2802 There are no deadlines on Wikipedia, so what is the urgent need you have to 'publish' this? If you work for or have any association with this subject, you must review and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAID; the latter is a Terms of Use requirement if you are compensated in any manner(including an internship or other unpaid-in-money work).
You can submit your draft using Articles for Creation, but it will likely take longer than a week. In addition, I don't believe that it will be accepted, as your draft is not supported with multiple independent reliable sources that have significant coverage of this person, showing how they meet the definition of a notable academic. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 08:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes. I have already submitted my draft using Articles for Creation, and I am in no rush to finish the article. How long will it take to be accepted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2802 (talkcontribs) 08:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Wiki2802 As noted in the submission tag, "This may take 6 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,312 pending submissions waiting for review." I warned you that your draft is not likely to be accepted, and I still believe that is the case.Please see your user talk page for additional information. 331dot (talk) 08:31, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I see you submitted a copy at Draft:Igor Grigorievich Chervanev. I suggest you blank User:Wiki2802/sandbox to avoid confusion between the pages. You can edit the submitted draft if you want to make improvements before somebody reviews it. Changes to the sandbox will not be seen by a reviewer. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I will delete my sandbox right away and edit only the draft. Will they review my draft within a few days or how long will it take. Will the article be published within 6 weeks? If the article is rejected, how long will it take to be eligible for review again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2802 (talkcontribs) 09:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Before it's reviewed, it should be made free of promotional content. This will be a big step towards making the review a favorable one. -- Hoary (talk) 09:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by promotional content? I can't see any promotional content. Please give examples before you state that there is promotional content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2802 (talkcontribs) 10:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Since 1973, he has been leading pioneering work on mathematical modeling and structural analysis of productive deposits of the Medvezhe gas field: Until you cite clear statements from reliable sources that (i) this was pioneering and (ii) he led it, the statement looks promotional. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Wiki2802 You state that you aren't in a rush, but said earlier that you needed it ready in a week. Why is that? 331dot (talk) 19:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I have already edited parts of the page, What do I need to do to improve the page. Should I add sources? Please give me advice on what to remove and ideally what to add. I also want to make it very clear that my client is NOT related to the person depicted in the Wikipedia article. He barely knows him and he was interested by his many achievements in the geoecological field. My client is from the same geographical area as the person, that is why they share the same surname. Please remove the tag on my draft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki2802 (talkcontribs) 07:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

1969 Old Newton Cup .

the 1969 Winner of the 1969 Pharaoh Hopra was Not trained by Frank Cundell, It was trained by Richmond Sturdy Which I know because I was Head Lad for Richmond Sturdy at this time and i rode this horse at home. Yours faithfully D L Jerome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:94EC:6600:1CB6:CAB9:650F:5E66 (talk) 09:43, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Please request any changes at the article talk page. See

Ref number 38 - should have the page number in front of the actual page number which is 5832. I keep trying but it comes up red. Please fix up this ref. sorry again. Thanks (talk) 10:51, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

'cite journal' does not typically display the word 'page'. Eagleash (talk) 10:57, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
{{London Gazette |issue=32735 |page=5832 |date=4 August 1922 |title=Re The Right Honourable James Viscount Bryce, P.O., O.M., G.C.V.O., Deceased.}}
"Re The Right Honourable James Viscount Bryce, P.O., O.M., G.C.V.O., Deceased". The London Gazette. No. 32735. 4 August 1922. p. 5832.

I tried to edit the page to include Glasgow in the lsit of stations as I traveeledon it on a couple of occassions. I think it would have been from Glasgow St Enoch rather than Glasgow Central to the south coast and to London. 6.38pm as I recall to various destinations. The cars were conveyed in covered vans and passengers coaches at the front of the train. There was a similar one from Waverley The Anglo Scottish Car Carrier emblazoned over the vans specially built and it ran to Holloway in North London. In editing I must have made an error as the page does not display correctly. Can you correct for me pleae. Iain McGeachy (talk) 13:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Iain; I think this is regarding edits on Template:Motorail, which is the diagram of Motorail routes, am I right? For now I've just undone it; because it's a map, an addition to show Glasgow would need to show (and therefore be configured to show) the route of that train relative to the other routes, and it's not clear what that route would be from the article. (Since the article says the train was short-lived, I wonder if it should be reflected in the map at all.) YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 13:17, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

hi, wondering if there are AA groups that are specific to police officers,first responders,etc? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dee kurowski (talkcontribs) 13:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)


As to the infobox here, why is the first bullet in the location section not correctly rendered? How can that be fixed?--Hildeoc (talk) 14:33, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Hildeoc: Moxy has removed the bullets. Otherwise you could say:
| place       =<nowiki />
An asterisk must be at the start of a line in the output to make a bullet. Templates may place other content before parameter values on the same line. <nowiki /> is just used as a placeholder here. It doesn't output anything but ensures a newline before the asterisk. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks a lot. Another question then: Regarding the infobox section "Territorial changes", how come there is no newline displayed before "Austria cedes …" but before "The Dutch Republic …", there is?--Hildeoc (talk) 16:55, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@Hildeoc:A single newline in wikitext is usually treated like a space and does not cause a line break in the output. Something in MediaWiki adds a html paragraph tag <p>...</p> in the produced html for the field but does not include the last line inside the tag. I don't know why. It may be unintentional. If you want a line break then write <br />. If you want a new paragraph then make an empty line.
I haven't seen this issue before and made a simplified example based on the format of the wikitext produced by the infobox. It makes wikitext similar to
which produces:


If we add a newline before the table cell end </td> in
then it produces the more expected


where "C" is not left outside a paragraph in the html.
MediaWiki has many small quirks.

Hi, I'm not a seasoned editor of wiki, so I am writing to see if someone can help me.

Someone posted a pic of me that is not authorized by me, and it doesn't resemble me, and it will lead to confusion. Is there anything that can be done? It looks like it has been altered without my permission--my hair is not orange, for instance.

Can you remove it? Or, can I? I don't know what to do or how to do it. Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It appears you already uploaded File:Image of Susan Schneider.jpg as User:Philosopher of Mind in 2015. Is that OK? We require a photo with a free license and that photo is allowed if you took it yourself. The photographer and not the subject usually has the rights. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:00, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I've replaced the picture by the one PrimeHunter suggests, as it seems to me a better picture. Maproom (talk) 17:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi,thank you very much. That photo is fine, but I don't think I loaded it (I don't think I had a wiki account). I didn't edit this page,except to try to delete the other pic, and now there's a notice at the top of the pg saying 'someone close to the author edited the page.' Can that be removed? I'm sorry if my request caused additional trouble. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

So those tags were added because you, or someone editing from your IP address, did edit the article, as noted on your contributions page; since you note above that you are the article's subject, Orangemike added the tags. I've restored them; please do not remove them again, and have a look at the plain and simple conflict of interest guide before editing the page again. Thanks. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm really surprised by this conversation. Since when do experienced WP editors simply take inexperienced editors' words that they are who they say they are? and if the previous photo is "altered", then who is this: Susan Schneider, Susan Schneider or this: Susan Schneider? They seem more in keeping with the original image that was there. The current image looks like a selfie and seems placed there on purpose by the BLP to offer a more "flattering" look (no disrespect intended; but I thought WP was not a casting agency). The OP said her hair is not "orange"; and again "no disrespect", but it doesn't seem to be naturally blonde either - as it changes considerably if one image googles the name. So where is the "altered image" part? Maineartists (talk) 19:44, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

--- I am feeling really disrespected by this last post. I don't need to be bashed for changing my hair color since I was a grad student some 20 years ago, or asking to remove a pic that seems stretched and discolored. A pic on wiki will inevitably land on every news story or flyer for the next 5 years. People will not even recognize me at events. Think of how this would feel if it was you. (Sometimes it is easy to battle through computers, but remember, there are people with feelings at the other end.) I don't need to be accused of loading a pic 5 years ago (I obviously don't have an account, or I'd use it:-) but I think it was from a reporter interviewed me at a cafe). And from what I just read, this is "outing someone" for editing, and that isn't allowed by the COI policy. (Of course, I'm appreciate the info about the COI policy, which I just read, and will bear this in mind.) But please understand that I couldn't even figure out how to reach out to email anyone on this thread. Perhaps someone will be kind enough to reach out, or consider fixing. I'm not sure what to do. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I concur that discussions about hair color are inappropriate and rather sexist. However, I must say that if User:Philosopher of Mind was not Susan Schneider, it was somebody who was really, really, really interested in Susan Schneider and on getting her name into Wikipedia. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sorry if my tone was brusque, and I apologise. I should say, I don't think I've violated the WP:OUTING policy, if you're referring to me, because I didn't post any of your information: you posted that you were the subject of the article (Someone posted a pic of me), and I restored the notice that noted that someone from the IP address of someone claiming to be the subject of the article had edited the article. If you'd like to complain about that action, the noticeboard to post such a complaint for review by administrators is at WP:ANI.
I didn't get involved with the picture discussion, FWIW, though, for full disclosure, I did remove a comment that somebody - presumably you? - added on the picture at Wikimedia Commons asking for it not to be used, since it was in the wrong place (and also removed the legally necessary information about the licensing on the photo). Also the picture suggested by PrimeHunter and added by Maproom (the one you're happy with) is still on the article, and I don't think anyone has attempted to remove it. :-) YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 20:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
PS it's generally considered that posting on-wiki is better for transparency, but if you create an account, you'll see an "Email this user" option on the left-hand side of many users' userpages (which you get to by clicking on their username), including mine. People don't tend to post their email addresses directly, because of the obvious potential for spam. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 20:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I am shaking my head at the responses by someone claiming to be the NASA-Baruch Blumberg Chair at the Library of Congress and NASA, the director of the AI, Mind and Society ("AIMS") Group at the University of Connecticut, and a visiting member of the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton who worries they "will probably ... lose work" over the color of her hair. "A pic on wiki will inevitably land on every news story or flyer for the next 5 years." How do you know this? "People will not even recognize me at events." Wikipedia is not here for your personal or professional life. That's why BLPs have personal websites. There was absolutely no sexism or disrespect in my response; but a matter-of-fact statement in keeping with the original comment made by the OP. I'll leave the thread, as it is simply an opinion at this point of an authenticity claim. But I gravely think a gross mishandling has been made at the hands of a BLP request to have their image replaced for what I perceive to be vanity and not WP merit. But that is merely opinion. As I said earlier, no disrespect intended. Just WP policy argument. Best to all. Maineartists (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Maineartists,FYI, I truly don't care if there is a pic of me at all.But I'd like it to not be a pic that radically doesn't look like me and seems modified in color or stretched, and yes, in my experience, people grab the wiki pic for their articles all the time. That's not unreasonable

To any well meaning editor, I'd appreciate it if someone took those boxes out that bots loaded at the top after this thread as apparently I can't do it. And I wasn't the one who started the article and I wasn't the editor in questio. The article has been there for about 5-8 years!!! It looks like its had a long history of editing and citations to known sources and I don't think a simple request to remove an altered pic should have triggered these bot boxes. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Please remember to add a signature at the end of each message on discussion pages such as this. I notice also that you have changed the wording of some of your earlier messages in this thread. This can cause replies to appear out of context, so the talk page guidelines say that this should be avoided, though you may mark deleted text with <del>...</del>, which renders in most browsers as struck-through text, e.g., deleted. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I've looked at the history of this. I have no particular interest in this person and I do not think I have ever seen a picture of her before. However I must say that I have not seen any orange hair. The first photo looks more suitable for an encyclopedia-i.e. a more sober picture.Spinney Hill (talk) 08:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Comment: the OP's original request included the words "frankly, it is a bad picture and will probably cause me to lose work." Someone has subsequently removed those words. It is against Wikipedia policy to change the past history of a discussion by altering what you, or anyone else, has said, as it can make discussions hard to follow. If you have said something that you want to withdraw, you should strike through it with <s> ... </s> tags, to make it clear that you've withdrawn it, while leaving the course of the discussion clear. And no-one should alter what anyone else has said, as that would misrepresent their views.

When updating an article and adding new citations throughout, do all citations within the article need to be renumbered to keep them all in numerical order? Or can new citations, added along with updated material, simply carry the next numbers in the existing order? Thank you. Mary Ellin Arch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mearch (talkcontribs) 16:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)



I am new to this! I created a wiki page 7 days ago and I was wondering when would it be searchable?

Do I have to submit it somewhere special?

Your response is appreciated.

Thank you in advance, MHRC123 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhrc123 (talkcontribs) 17:04, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

You have created a draft, Draft:David A. Hood, but not submitted it for review. If you submit it in its present state, it is in my opinion unlikely to be accepted as an article, as it cites no reliable independent sources that establish that its subject is notable.   Maproom (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Maproom is correct. I will also add, for future readers, that MHRC123 has been banned indefinitely as a promotion-only account, as they have admitted that David Hood is their employer. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 17:19, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
The draft that


Is there a module where {{invoke:MODULE|page}} outputs the user who created the page? {{REVISIONUSER:page}} (example: JIP) outputs the user who made the last edit but I want to get the user who made the first one.Jonteemil (talk) 18:38, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

keep scrubbing kamala harris Wikipedia profil

Kamala Harris (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

what the hell do you think you are doing editing kamala harris' must think the public is stupid! should be ashamed of your data manipulation, and it won't work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It's about Kamala Harris, I suppose. --CiaPan (talk) 18:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Please raise any concerns you have at the article talk page (link above) where editors with an interest in the page will be happy to discuss any changes you would like to see made. Please note Wikipedia dpoes not host 'profiles' like social media sites but has articles on persons considered notable based on what has been written about them in independent, reliable sources. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Eagleash (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
It's not a profile, it's an article. Neither Kamala Harris herself or anyone representing her has any sort of authority over it. Wikipedia is not a social media site but an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. JIP | Talk 21:23, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I assume the IP is referring to

Hello! I edit from a Chromebook and just got rollback rights, and now I am planning to install Huggle. I know that Chrome OS supports running Linux, but do I have to do anything else to get Huggle running? SuperGoose007 (Honk!) 19:47, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Sabotaging the O'Donovans

Hi, I am really concerned that an individual is editing information which is not correct and removing information relevant and correct to the information of the O'Donovan family. I am a direct member of the O'Donovans and I am trying to clarify information on it, its really distressing me and i feel i am been bullied. By service user Agricolae. I feel he should be blocked from editing this information.

Please help me to ensure the family are not been violated against — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishDonovan (talkcontribs) 21:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I had a brief look at the article, and it looks like User:Agricolae is doing the right thing here, helping to clean up the article. By no means should he blocked, instead he should be thanked for his actions. As a member of the O'Donovan family yourself you have a conflict of interest and should not be editing the article at all. JIP | Talk 22:10, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
@IrishDonovan: You can put WP:EDITREQUESTs on the talk page for anything that is incorrect, but you will need sourcing to substantiate what you request - personal narratives are unreliable sources, for obvious reasons. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
You can also engage on the article's Talk page. But let's be blunt here. The article was the kind of thing you get when someone writes a hagiography of their own family (and just to be clear, it was not written by the current complainant). It needed a better sense of proportion and more encyclopedic tone. In spite of all of the text that was there, it is really still Start class to low-C class and that will not improve if anyone who is not an O'Donovan is blocked from editing it. Agricolae (talk) 01:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

TO Donovan page was fine as it was before I edited it and other people edited it, Agricolae only came on for a short while and has not included the original settings were in which the article expressed the origins of the name. There were no previous problems in editing the item in the beginning. I would like to know where Agricolae has shown up from and why he intended to edit O Donovans and what his interests are in this field? Can someone explain to me simply, why family can not edit their families articles?

Other Irish families also provide a similar trend, is Agricolae Remove the historical content of those too? for example The O' brain dynasty? IrishDonovan (talk) 01:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrishDonovan (talkcontribs) 01:53, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

The answer, simply, is given at

I want to create a page for a musician who may or may not meet qualifications for notability based on his music alone. However, his music is part of a larger activist project for a very notable cause.

If his music is not notable alone but is when paired with his activism, would that page likely be approved or rejected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinktoast (talkcontribs) 22:01, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Probably not. Notability is neither inherited nor contagious. Thus, you may be the author of a notable book, but not be notable yourself; or your music might be used as the theme for a notable TV series; but again, that doesn't make you (or the song) notable. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:11, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
But notability by association is still notable to some. Is the larger activist project notable for inclusion? or is it already on WP? On a side note, have you read the guidelines:

Yesterday I added a photograph to the Jack Dempsey page with the following text. It was subsequently removed. Why? "This is a family photo from a trip to OxBow, Maine by world heavyweight champion Jack Dempsey around 1924. L to R, Doc Severson (a local I think), Jack Dempsey, Mary Hinds, Walter Hinds (hunting camp owner and entrepreneur), (taller) Joe Dempsey (Jack's brother), Jerry "The Greek" Luvadis (Dempsey's trainer), three brothers Ellie Currier, Almon Currier, and up on the wagon Frank Currier, my grandfather. The dog is "Pat." They visited the hunting camps of Almon which still operate today as Umcolcus Sporting Camps."

David Currier (talk) 22:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

this is not a question, and it's duplication of info already in User:Bmmedia/sandbox

LifePharm Inc. is a privately held American company that manufactures grade nutritional supplements and skin care products for the health and wellness industry. Headquartered in Orange County, California, the company operates in 45 countries with offices located in the U.S.A., Europe, Russia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, South Korea and Japan. LifePharm was founded by CEO Wicky Suyanto, who is well versed in the nutritional supplement and skin care industry with more than 30 years of experience. Research and development on the company’s products is conducted by third party medical clinics, universities, and private laboratories. The scientific research team helps develop protocols for clinical and basic research studies to evaluate product ingredients and product formulas for safety and efficacy. Contents • 1History • 2Products o 2.1Nutritional Supplements o 2.2Skin Care • 3Business • 4External links • 5References LifePharm Type: Private Industry: Direct selling Founded: 2011 Founder: Wicky Suyanto Headquarters: Irvine, California

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IBOs have earned over $1,000,000,000.00 from 2011 to 2019. Products[edit] Nutritional Supplements[edit] The first LifePharm supplement Laminine, contains a compound that is essential in supporting embryonic development. This compound is called Fibroblast Growth Factor 2 (FGF2). Research shows that FGF2 plays an important role in proliferation, differentiation, and survival of cells of almost all organ systems by regulating the activity of multiple genes.16 Over the last several decades, fibroblast growth factors and their receptors have shown to be highly involved in both embryonic development and tissue repair. 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This is already at

Please assist with correcting his page where it says suicide as the investigation is still ongoing (the narrative put out even before any final analysis). The police are still investigating, PLEASE I implore you to change this. Just joined, would welcome your help. Thank you kindly.

@Alfcheers: I modified the lead section somewhat to address this. Courtesy link for others Sushant Singh Rajput. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 00:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

July 7

Political bias

I am really sad to read that this company I had respected does edits for Kamala Harris , removing negativity and adding nice things !! That’s just WRONG. I will no longer donate or trust your information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:2590:8400:65B1:FF5D:ACFC:3E93 (talk) 01:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a volunteer project, not a company. Any edits to Kamala Harris are made by individual volunteers, not by a company. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
See section


As I was researching about the g-mail software I came to a page in Wiki titled: INBOX In the opening it says Google got rid of their Inbox in 2019. I do not think this is true. I use my Inbox in my G-mail every day. I do not know. Do you? If so, can you take that last sentence off? Is that something a citizen like me would do? Does one need credentials or just to read the FAQ and learn how to do it themselves? At the moment I don't have time but in the future, I would be willing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:C303:BA00:1DEF:9977:6871:3F36 (talk) 02:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. The place to discuss this is on the article's talk page,
proposed article content

Bold text[1]Origin of Ban Ogoi

Ban Ogoi is an electoral ward 10 in Tai LGA, Rivers State, Nigeria. The main language of Ban Ogoi people is Ban but also Khana, Eleme, Gokana, Igbo and Akwa Ibom languages. The crisis at Gold Coast between the 12th and 13th century led to the emigration of three brothers namely Khana (perhaps Ghana but differed by pronunciation), Eleme and Gbene Tutu through the sea to a safe location in the rich mangrove area of Niger Delta. Gbene Tutu settled at Ban Tutu, the foremost name of Ban Ogoi. The word Ban is translated as I have arrived at a safe place. The Ogoi which was later replaced Tutu, the founder of Ban Ogoi is translated as hide me or I am hiding. Literally, Gbene Tutu was shielding himself from crisis. These three brothers were later referred to by the Igbanis as Igonibo – strangers; when some early sojourners arrived at the shore and found their lights burning in the hinterland. That word Igonibo was later coined to Ogoni and that name is not acceptable to the Ban Ogoi people. The Ban Ogois refers to the Igbanis as Bani - beggars. History has it that the Igbanis would ask the Khana, Eleme and Gbene Tutus for food in the ancient times since their main occupation was crop cultivation. Gbene Tutu had seven sons which later resulted in the formation of seven mini-communities but later there was a formation of the eighth mini-community. These eight (8) communities that make up Ban Ogoi Clan are: 1. Bala Ban 2. Kuete 3. Ngoro 4. Bolo 5. Waala 6. Ngbuagbo 7. Bali 8. Muolu Muolu community was said to have been founded by an indigene of Kuete community who moved to that part of Ban Ogoi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonungw (talkcontribs) 06:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

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[2]Origin of Ban Ogoi

Ban Ogoi is an electoral ward 10 in Tai LGA, Rivers State, Nigeria. The main language of Ban Ogoi people is Ban but also Khana, Eleme, Gokana, Igbo and Akwa Ibom languages. The crisis at Gold Coast between the 12th and 13th century led to the emigration of three brothers namely Khana (perhaps Ghana but differed by pronunciation), Eleme and Gbene Tutu through the sea to a safe location in the rich mangrove area of Niger Delta. Gbene Tutu settled at Ban Tutu, the foremost name of Ban Ogoi. The word Ban is translated as I have arrived at a safe place. The Ogoi which was later replaced Tutu, the founder of Ban Ogoi is translated as hide me or I am hiding. Literally, Gbene Tutu was shielding himself from crisis. These three brothers were later referred to by the Igbanis as Igonibo – strangers; when some early sojourners arrived at the shore and found their lights burning in the hinterland. That word Igonibo was later coined to Ogoni and that name is not acceptable to the Ban Ogoi people. The Ban Ogois refers to the Igbanis as Bani - beggars. History has it that the Igbanis would ask the Khana, Eleme and Gbene Tutus for food in the ancient times since their main occupation was crop cultivation. Gbene Tutu had seven sons which later resulted in the formation of seven mini-communities but later there was a formation of the eighth mini-community. These eight (8) communities that make up Ban Ogoi Clan are: 1. Bala Ban 2. Kuete 3. Ngoro 4. Bolo 5. Waala 6. Ngbuagbo 7. Bali 8. Muolu

Muolu community was said to have been founded by an indigene of Kuete community who moved to that part of Ban Ogoi.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonungw (talkcontribs) 06:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


how can i raise my voice against a misleading content on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:2285:B4:6199:AAC4:CF15:1F22 (talk) 07:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, you should raise any issues at the talk page of the article concerned; you will find a link to the talk page top left of the article. You can also request edits (if you do not want to do this yourself) at the talk page. Please see

i dont have the knowledge in creating the page by my name for bibliography

how to start

send me the guide line — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudhakalyan317 (talkcontribs) 07:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


Hello, I'm an administrator and an interface administrator over at Persian Wikipedia. Recently, I have been interested in getting involved with the EnWiki community but I'm not quite sure where to start. I've followed a few links linking to "Where you can help" pages but I didn't find much that I can be helpful with. As Persian Wikipedia mostly used technical and patrolling help. Where do you think I can be helpful in this community? contest-wise or technical, etc. Mohammad 08:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Proficiency in both Persian and English is a rarity here, and so your help in related areas might be particularly welcome. You might look for requests at

If a celebrity has more than one picture on Wikimedia Commons, then how to decide which picture will be most suitable for Infobox of that celebrity?? Should it be the most recent image of that celebrity?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pritam Shaw (talkcontribs) 08:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Pritam Shaw! Some guidance at MOS:LEADIMAGE, but it's often quite subjective. Reasonably new (unless were talking like Greta Garbo/peak of career stuff), recognizable, looking somewhat towards camera, not making a funny face. Discuss if necessary, often it's no big deal, sometimes it is (Talk:Greta_Thunberg#Picture_change). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

In Sidharth Shukla, the lead image is more than 4 years old and the celebrity does not looks that slim now like he is in the lead image (thumb), and I suggest that thumb is a better alternative as this image is hardly 5 months old when he won a reality competition. Could you please decide which one is better?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pritam Shaw (talkcontribs) 10:31, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

IMO, the BB one is slightly better. Be WP:BOLD and see what happens. However, I would also recommend cropping it so it becomes more like the image at Daniel Craig (more head and shoulders). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Could you please fix the image on Siddharth Shukla, as I am unable to pass through the legal proceedings i.e. the copyright and all in Wikimedia Commons. Thankyou for the Cooperation. Pritam Shaw (talkcontribs) 13:57, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Geumho River

When I searched for "Geumho River," I was not directed to the article. Instead, I got a list of unrelated suggestions. I tried this three times. Yet, a Geumho River article exists. I was able to get to it by going to the article List of Rivers of Korea. I don't understand. Also, List of Rivers of Korea comes up red in my preview, whereas Geumho River comes up blue (I am using Chrome on Windows 7).Kdammers (talk) 09:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

  • I see, it is the capitalization of 'Rivers' that makes the link red. But shouldn't linking on it at least suggest that a variant exists instead of telling me that I can create such a page?

    why doesn't wikipedia have comics or even wikisourse doesn't have comics why is that so???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)


    Hello! I'm a fairly new Wikipedia user and I've been updating/creating Wikipedia articles for species to include the standardized common names developed by a national working group in Canada. The process is really slow considering that I've got thousands of species to get through and a lot of the species don't already have Wikipedia pages. I'm wondering if there's another way to accomplish this task that's less labour intensive. For example, is it possible to add the common names to a species list page? Thanks in advance! --VioletBrew (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

    VioletBrew, if you haven't tried asking at places like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Insects someone there may have a good idea. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

    Hi Im new to Wikipedia and want to do a few edits, I work for the agency which represents Jazz_(company) and I want to remove some unnecessary and outdated information from the articles Jazz, Mobilink, Warid_Pakistan and Warid_Telecom. Looking for help to discuss this so I can proceed with the changes without violating any rules. Talhatauqeer (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

    • Talhatauqeer, the first thing is probably this, read WP:COI and particularly WP:DECLARE. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 13:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
    • Simply scrapping a whole bunch of stuff like you did
      apparently an alternative content for an article?

      Johnson v. Zerbst Supreme Court of the United States Johnson v. Zerbst Reference: 304 U.S. 458 Term: 1937 Important Dates Argued: April 4, 1938 Decided: May 23, 1938 Majority Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes • Hugo Black • Louis Brandeis • Owen Roberts • Harlan Fiske Stone Concurring Stanley Reed Dissenting Pierce Butler • James C. McReynolds

      Johnson v. Zerbst was decided on May 23, 1938, by the U.S. Supreme Court. The case is famous for the court's expansion of the Sixth Amendment right to counsel to indigent defendants in all federal criminal trials, unless a knowing, intelligent, and competent waiver of counsel is evidenced. Prior to the court's opinion in Johnson, federal criminal courts appointed "counsel in most cases based on the judge’s discretion. But here, the Court construed the Sixth Amendment guarantee of counsel to mean that, in federal courts, counsel must be provided for defendants unable to employ counsel in all trials."[1]

      Questions presented: Does the Sixth Amendment require a mandatory appointment of counsel in all federal criminal cases or is that appointment subject to judicial discretion in the absence of a waiver? Case background On November 21, 1934, John Johnson and an accomplice were arrested in Charleston, South Carolina. The pair were charged with "feloniously uttering and passing four counterfeit twenty-dollar Federal Reserve notes and possessing twenty-one such notes." At the time, both were enlisted in the United States Marine Corps on leave. They were detained but were unable to post bail. On January 21, 1935, both men were indicted. Though the court record indicated that both men were represented by counsel in preliminary hearings prior to being bound over to grand jury, the defendants were not able to pay for counsel at trial. At their arraignment on January 23, 1935, in which they plead not guilty, the defendants were asked by the judge if they had counsel. The defendants said that they did not have counsel, but when asked by the judge if they were ready to proceed to trial, the defendants said they were. After their arraignment, the defendants were tried, convicted, and sentenced to four and a half years in federal prison on January 23, 1935.

      During the course of his incarceration, Johnson filed a petition for habeas relief in U.S. District Court arguing that his uncounseled conviction violated his Sixth Amendment right to counsel. At his habeas hearing, Johnson provided evidence that a request for counsel was made not to the trial judge, but to the district attorney, who informed Johnson that the state of South Carolina provided counsel to indigent defendants only in instances where the defendant was charged with a capital felony; the district attorney, however, denied that Johnson and his accomplice had either requested counsel or that the district attorney informed them they did not have a right to counsel. The judge presiding over the hearing also acknowledged that Johnson and his accomplice "asked the jailer to call a lawyer for them, but they were not permitted to contact one. They did not, however, undertake to get any message to the judge." The habeas hearing record also indicated that after Johnson and his accomplice arrived at the penitentiary on January 25, 1935, "they were placed in isolation and so kept for sixteen days without being permitted to communicate with any one except the officers of the institution, but they did see the officers daily. They were no [sic] request of the officers to be permitted to see a lawyer, nor did they ask the officers to present to the trial judge a motion for new trial or application for appeal or notice that they desired to move for a new trial or to take an appeal. On May 15, 1935, petitioners filed applications for appeal which were denied because filed too late" because the time for filing a motion for new trial and for taking an appeal was limited to three to five days. The district court denied Johnson's habeas petition. Upon review, the Fifth Circuit affirmed the district court's ruling.[2]

      Oral argument Oral argument was held on April 4, 1938.[2]

      Decision The decision was reversed and remanded to the district court for further proceedings.[2]

      Opinion Justice Hugo Black delivered the opinion for five of the six justices in the majority. Justice Black began his opinion with a discussion of the importance and necessity of counsel, particularly to the pro se defendant, and his reasons as to why federal courts cannot limit the right:[2]

      “ The Sixth Amendment stands as a constant admonition that if the constitutional safeguards it provides be lost, justice will not 'still be done.' It embodies a realistic recognition of the obvious truth that the average defendant does not have the professional legal skill to protect himself when brought before a tribunal with power to take his life or liberty, wherein the prosecution is presented by experienced and learned counsel. That which is simple, orderly, and necessary to the lawyer-to the untrained layman-may appear intricate, complex, and mysterious. Consistently with the wise policy of the Sixth Amendment and other parts of our fundamental charter, this Court has pointed to '... the humane policy of the modern criminal law ...' which now provides that a defendant '... if he be poor, ... may have counsel furnished him by the state, ... not infrequently ... more able than the attorney for the state.' The '... right to be heard would be, in many cases, of little avail if it did not comprehend the right to be heard by counsel. Even the intelligent and educated layman has small and sometimes no skill in the science of law. If charged with crime, he is incapable, generally, of determining for himself wheter the indictment is good or bad. He is unfamiliar with the rules of evidence. Left without the aid of counsel he may be put on trial without a proper charge, and convicted upon incompetent evidence, or evidence irrelevant to the issue or otherwise inadmissible. He lacks both the skill and knowledge adequately to prepare his defence, even though he have a perfect one. He requires the guiding hand of counsel at every step in the proceedings against him.' The Sixth Amendment withholds from federal courts, in all criminal proceedings, the power and authority to deprive an accused of his life or liberty unless he has or waives the assistance of counsel. [3]

      ” What constitutes a waiver of the right to counsel? Justice Black evaluated the claim that the petitioners here waived their right to counsel, a contention that Justice Pierce Butler, in dissent, believed that Johnson and his accomplice had done. Justice Black wrote:[2]

      “ There is insistence here that petitioner waived this constitutional right. The District Court did not so find ... A waiver is ordinarily an intentional relinquishment or abandonment of a known right or privilege. The determination of whether there has been an intelligent waiver of right to counsel must depend, in each case, upon the particular facts and circumstances surrounding that case, including the background, experience, and conduct of the accused ... The constitutional right of an accused to be represented by counsel invokes, of itself, the protection of a trial court, in which the accused- whose life or liberty is at stake-is without counsel. This protecting duty imposes the serious and weighty responsibility upon the trial judge of determining whether there is an intelligent and competent waiver by the accused. While an accused may waive the right to counsel, whether there is a proper waiver should be clearly determined by the trial court, and it would be fitting and appropriate for that determination to appear upon the record. [3]

      ” Could Johnson's error be corrected by habeas relief? Justice Black next addressed whether Johnson's request for habeas relief was a permissible legal remedy. The district judge hearing Johnson's habeas appeal did not believe so, even though the judge stated, "It is unfortunate, if petitioners lost their right to a new trial through their ignorance or negligence, but such misfortune cannot give this court jurisdiction in a habeas corpus case to review and correct the errors complained of."[2]

      Justice Black argued that such a view of habeas relief need not be so restrictive, noting that the Congress had expanded habeas relief under the Sixth Amendment since the amendment's adoption,[2]

      “ The purpose of the constitutional guaranty of a right to counsel is to protect an accused from conviction resulting from his own ignorance of his legal and constitutional rights, and the guaranty would be nullified by a determination that an accused's ignorant failure to claim his rights removes the protection of the Constitution. True, habeas corpus cannot be used as a means of reviewing errors of law and irregularities-not involving the question of jurisdiction-occurring during the course of trial; and the 'writ of habeas corpus cannot be used as a writ of error.' ... These principles, however, must be construed and applied so as to preserve-not destroy-constitutional safeguards of human life and liberty.

      The scope of inquiry in habeas corpus proceedings has been broadened-not narrowed-since the adoption of the Sixth Amendment. In such a proceeding, 'it would be clearly erroneous to confine the inquiry to the proceedings and judgment of the trial court' and the petitioned court has 'power to inquire with regard to the jurisdiction of the inferior court, either in respect to the subject-matter or to the person, even if such inquiry (involves) an examination of facts outside of, but not inconsistent with, the record.'

      Congress has expanded the rights of a petitioner for habeas corpus and the '... effect is to substitute for the bare legal review that seems to have been the limit of judicial authority under the common-law practice, and under the act of 31 Car. II, chap. 2, a more searching investigation, in which the applicant is put upon his oath to set forth the truth of the matter respecting the causes of his detention, and the court, upon determining the actual facts, is to 'dispose of the party as law and justice require.' 'There being no doubt of the authority of the Congress to thus liberalize the common-law procedure on habeas corpus in order to safeguard the liberty of all persons within the jurisdiction of the United States against infringement through any violation of the Constitution or a law or treaty established thereunder, it results that under the sections cited a prisoner in custody pursuant to the final judgment of a state court of criminal jurisdiction may have a judicial inquiry in a court of the United States into the very truth and substance of the causes of his detention, although it may become necessary to look behind and beyond the record of his conviction to a sufficient extent to test the jurisdiction of the state court to proceed to judgment against him. ... '... it is open to the courts of the United States, upon an application for a writ of habeas corpus, to look beyond forms and inquiry into the very substance of the matter ....' [3]

      ” Given Justice Black's view that Congressional authority was sufficient to expand judicial habeas review and relief, Justice Black argued that, in fact, rather than precluding relief, Johnson's habeas petition was likely his only recourse for relief: "it necessarily follows that no legal procedural remedy is available to grant relief for a violation of constitutional rights, unless the courts protect petitioner's rights by habeas corpus ... To deprive a citizen of his only effective remedy would not only be contrary to the 'rudimentary demands of justice' but destructive of a constitutional guaranty specifically designed to prevent injustice."[2]

      Holding The court reversed the lower court's decision to deny habeas relief. In so doing, Justice Black pronounced a new rule in federal courts that counsel must be afforded to all federal criminal defendants:[2]

      “ Since the Sixth Amendment constitutionally entitles one charged with crime to the assistance of counsel, compliance with this constitutional mandate is an essential jurisdictional prerequisite to a federal court's authority to deprive an accused of his life or liberty. When this right is properly waived, the assistance of counsel is no longer a necessary element of the court's jurisdiction to proceed to conviction and sentence. If the accused, however, is not represented by counsel and has not competently and intelligently waived his constitutional right, the Sixth Amendment stands as a jurisdictional bar to a valid conviction and sentence depriving him of his life or his liberty. A court's jurisdiction at the hearing of trial may be lost 'in the course of the proceedings' due to failure to complete the court-as the Sixth Amendment requires-by providing counsel for an accused who is unable to obtain counsel, who has not intelligently waived this constitutional guaranty, and whose life or liberty is at stake. If this requirement of the Sixth Amendment is not complied with, the court no longer has jurisdiction to proceed. The judgment of conviction pronounced by a court without jurisdiction is void, and one imprisoned thereunder may obtain release by habeas corpus. A judge of the United States-to whom a petition for habeas corpus is addressed-should be alert to examine 'the facts for himself when if true as alleged they make the trial absolutely void.' ...

      Where a defendant, without counsel, acquiesces in a trial resulting in his conviction and later seeks release by the extraordinary remedy of habeas corpus, the burden of proof rests upon him to establish that he did not competently and intelligently waive his constitutional right to assistance of Counsel. If in a habeas corpus hearing, he does meet this burden and convinces the court by a preponderance of evidence that he neither had counsel nor properly waived his constitutional right to counsel, it is the duty of the court to grant the writ. [3]

      ” Concluding that the district court erred in dismissing Johnson's habeas claim, the court remanded the case back to that court for additional proceedings on Johnson's petition.

      Concurrences Justice Stanley Reed did not join the court's opinion but did concur in the reversal.[2]

      Dissents Justice James C. McReynolds stated that he would have affirmed the judgment of the lower court.

      Justice Pierce Butler stated that the record sufficiently demonstrated that the petitioners waived counsel, that the trial court had jurisdiction, and that the circuit court decision should have been affirmed.[2]

      Impact As a result of the court's opinion in this case, the court expanded the Sixth Amendment right to counsel to indigent defendants in all federal criminal trials, unless a knowing, intelligent, and competent waiver of counsel is evidenced.

      Case notes Justice Benjamin Cardozo took no part in the consideration or disposition of the case. Neither Justice Reed nor either of the dissenting justices authored separate opinions in the case.

      — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:17, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

      Hello, IP user. I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, but we already have an article on

      Can I upload a image of a celebrity through File Wizard as Fair use??Pritam Shaw (talkcontribs) 15:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

      If the celebrity is still alive then a fair use image isn't allowed. Fails citerion #1 at WP:NFCC as an alternative image could be created by taking a photograph of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
      And if this is for


      Could you please advise how I can delete a Wiki page that is personal to me, but is hindering my ability to secure new roles given the negative stories that appear on the page, it was set up some time ago (2010) by a person who also set up blog sites about me, given my role in public life.

      My employment advisor when Google searching my name felt the information on the Wiki page was unduly negative and would impact on my ability to secure a new role.

      For your information I served in the UK Fire Service for 31 years with an unblemished record.

      Thank you in anticipationJohn130540 (talk) 18:59, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

      John130540, as unfortunate as it is to have an article like this, you do not own your Wikipedia page. However, if it contains libellous information or other information, you should follow the procedures listed at WP:BLPCOMPLAINT. Many thanks, Ed6767 talk! 19:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
      @John130540: FWIW, any potential employer who relies on a single Wikipedia article about you without following up on any negative material is, at least, irresponsible. If the material is wrong, do follow the link above for help getting it fixed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
      • Update: User blocked as a

        Occasionally I find on a talk page a template that says the article was nominated for deletion and "The result of the discussion was delete." The article still exists, however, sometimes with the template dated years ago. For example, Talk:Blagoje Jovović has a deletion template dated February 9, 2009. When I find such a page, should I take any action, or should I leave the page as it is? Eddie Blick (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

        If you look at the log you'll see that it was indeed deleted as agreed at the AFD, and if you look at the history you'll see that it was created again in 2014. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

        Hi, this article about my own esteemed family has been deleted, is there at least a copy of it somewhere, I had important information in it.

        Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

        The correct way to do this is through

        Someone had added "The Zodiac club" to List of fictional bars and pubs, but at the lede. I moved it to a new section "Z", and now it shows fine in the article itself, but the article's table of contents is generated with "{{Compact ToC|u=|z=|num=yes}}", and the table of contents does not show a "Z" link. Why is that? JIP | Talk 22:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

        @JIP: The TOC template was set to hide U and Z entries (u= | z= | ) I edited it to not hide Z and now it is showing. RudolfRed (talk) 23:14, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
        Ah, so that's what the "u=|z=|" part means. Thanks! JIP | Talk 23:27, 7 July 2020 (UTC)