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August 1

Maphoto tebatso

His Please— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 1 August 2021 04:34 (UTC)

Do you have a question?

Hey guys,
I've noticed that in Category:Establishments in Italy there is a subcategory Category:Italian television series debuts. IMO, this shouldn't be there but I don't know how to fix it. I've also noticed that Category:Establishments in the Netherlands, Category:Establishments in Norway and Category:Establishments in the United Kingdom‎ have the same subcategory issue. I have no idea how wide it goes beyond this. As far as I can see WP:TfD is not the correct venue for raising this problem (feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong!). So after trying the teahouse and posting a help me template on my talkpage I thought I'd try here. --Dutchy45 (talk) 06:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Dutchy45: Observe that Category:Establishments has a sub-category Category:Establishments by type, which in turn has a sub-category Category:Television series debuts. I suggest, then, that you should discuss this at Category talk:Establishments so that interested editors can decide whether a television series debut should count as a kind of "establishment". It would be appropriate to ping BrownHairedGirl when you begin the discussion, since she set up the categories and templates. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:31, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Note that the discussion is at Category talk:Establishments#Exclude_TV_series_debuts_from_Establishments_in_countryname. I have notified the relevant WikiProjects. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Remove content

How can i remove an article written about me in Wikipedia?--2600:1016:B01D:B7F2:C57A:1DF6:4B3D:6AA3 (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

That very much depends on who you are. If you a notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia, it is highly unlikely that it will be deleted. If you are not notable enough, then it is highly likely that it will be deleted, per

hello i have a question how can i categorize modules that i created? Thank you —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 15:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Categories go in the ~/doc page.
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you alot.

Hi all. I would like to update a family tree (at Chamorro (family)) with two additional entries I’ve written (Jaime Chamorro Cardenal and Juan Sebastián Chamorro, plus probably latter's mother who is not yet listed), but I’m struggling to do it myself. Is there a good place to ask for help with that? (I looked through the Graphics Lab and it doesn’t quite seem like their thing.) Thanks for any guidance. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:24, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Innisfree987. Try WP:WikiProject Genealogy. --ColinFine (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I have submitted a page to be added to wikipedia. I want to confirm if it has been submitted for approval. I used the move option on the sandbox and chose wikipedia and edited the title. Link - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpan13 (talkcontribs)

@Gpan13: I added a header to your question. The draft is now at Draft:Feels Like Ishq. You can submit it for review by placing {{subst:submit}} at the top. I suggest going through the guidance at WP:YFA before you submit it. RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


My user name is Katey Kazak. I want to add myself to the list of notable people from Bay Village, Ohio. My credentials as a fiction writer and a nationally known authority on nineteenth century major league baseball speak for themselves. They are verified on Wikipedia and elsewhere on the Internet. I am very low tech, however, and unable to enter them myself on the Bay Village site. Please contact me if further information is needed. Katey Kazak (talk) 22:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Katey Kazak: You'd have to establish that you're notable by Wikipedia's standards. If you're able to provide reliable sources that can attest to such notability, an article may be written about you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
To expand a bit, generally a person can be added to a list of notable people only if they already have a separate Wikipedia article about them. So the first step would be for someone (probably not you; see WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY) to create a Wikipedia article about you, which would require you to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. WP:NAUTHOR has information about specific notability criteria for authors. CodeTalker (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Citation help


Hope you're staying healthy and well.

I've been trying to cite the same book multiple times on this page:

I can't seem to get the multiple citations right and have inadvertently caused several errors (in large red type!) on the page.

I have read several how-to and error pages, including: but can't seem to get the hang of it.

Have tried several different approaches and looked at the other citations on the page as guidance, but no luck so far. Can you help?

Thank you! AkasaCatherine (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

The problem with your citation was the ref name. The error message said that calling the ref "4" (an

How do you delete the account? User name and everything?


This is a question after the fact from a case that was just submitted to the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. An editor had a question that appeared to be about the deletion of an image from Commons, which appeared to be due to a copyright issue. I advised the editor that Commons is a separate WMF wiki that is a resource for the language Wikipedias, but is administered separately from the English Wikipedia or any other Wikipedia. I said that they should discuss their concern with the deleting Commons administrator. My question is whether there is any more specific advice that can be given on the English Wikipedia to an editor about seeking advice on Commons. For instance, is there an equivalent to this Help Desk? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Yes, there is [1]] and for copyright issues there is [2] RudolfRed (talk) 04:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Is there really no way to speed up waiting time for GAN review? Thanks Nyanardsan (talk) 06:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

No, you just have to be patient. Mjroots (talk) 09:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Start reviewing articles yourself, then that reduces the backlog so they will get quicker to yours. That should help. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 10:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
In addition, if you review other articles, people tend to be more likely to review yours. Best Wishes,

Does anyone know why 660 Fifth Avenue is showing up in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 07:01, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Same with 1271 Avenue of the Americas. - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 07:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
As it says on the category, no-target error message are hidden by default (and the scripts recommended there don't seem to show them, either). You can make them display by following the instructions for method 3 at § Displaying error messages. I'm not familiar with the Harv system, so I don't know what to do about it, but something seems to be wrong with the references to Stern, Mellins & Fishman 1995. – Rummskartoffel 10:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Nothing is actually wrong. You can add |ignore-err=yes to each {{harvnb|Stern|Mellins|Fishman|...}} per

hi i am new to wikipedia and i have drafted one article is their anyone who can guide me with it please. --JohanCastell (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Sheikh Asif @JohanCastell: The sources don't demonstrate notability of the subject. Most of them say the same thing, so in this case, quantity isn't better than quality. See WP:OVERCITE and WP:GNG. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks got it but i will edit and wait and add more sources into it. --JohanCastell (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC) User:Timtempleton as I mention before I am new here but I read some basic things before will you please tell me if I publish the draft and add stub tag + orphan ? Because about that draft I have seen many news articles but I don't find them good so please help me With it.

Thanks --JohanCastell (talk) 20:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@JohanCastell: I wish I could be more encouraging, but based on what's there now, there's little chance the article will be approved. Dropping out of school and starting a company isn't by itself enough to satisfy WP:NBLP. Also, please see WP:COI in case you have a relationship with Asif (especially if you are him). TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
@JohanCastell: And so you don't think I'm being hastily dismissive, I also looked up the award he was nominated for, and it looks like he was self nominated. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your response I actually don't know him! Personally I found one of his article on Facebook and than I read things about him so I thought he must me on wikipedia as he have done a lot of things so is it required to add WP:COI in article.

About award I really don't have much knowledge as I read that in a news article and found pdf file on Wikimedia and yeah I read about the award in 3 4 places as I mention I don't all references. --JohanCastell (talk) 21:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

August 3

Independent editors

After having my draft Wikipedia page declined, I was emailed by a Tamsin Amanda who describes herself as an "experienced Wikipedian", and stating she can fix my draft for approval. Then I get a message that she will charge USD 280 for the task. Is this legitimate? RhetorPete (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@RhetorPete: Do not pay this person any money. You should never need to pay anyone to get a draft approved. Report them to [email protected] immediately. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:05, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
@RhetorPete: Do not pay any money. This is a scam. Contact [email protected] immediately and include any details they put in the email.A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 06:03, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
@RhetorPete: If this person e-mailed you via Wikipedia, then they violated the terms of use of this web site. This should tell you all you need to know about the person's sense of business ethics. Paying someone to create or edit a web page is often futile and is strongly discouraged but is not prohibited, as long as the paid editor makes a full disclosure (see WP:PAID). Using our resources to advertise this service is prohibited. An article is ultimately accepted or rejected based on the notability of the subject and not on the quality of the editing (see WP:AMOUNT). We will help you for free to improve the quality. -Arch dude (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

There is a citation error in Actors of the Comédie-Française, it reads "Cite error: A list-defined reference with group name "" is not used in the content (see the help page)." Anyone know what is causing this? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 06:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Aussie Article Writer: Fixed with Special:Diff/1036876195. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:48, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for peppering the board with so many citation issues, but can someone see why there is a citation error in Adi Shankara? - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 06:29, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Also fixed, the same kind of problem. --

i want to show my photos and details in your site

The answer is no.A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 08:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
To add to that,

J'ai donné une copie à que j'ai numérisée du panflet de mars 1955 supplément No 70 de Electric & musical industries Ltd. London W.I. Great Britain la photo est sur leur site. Sur Google images il y as plusieurs Ginny Gibson aucunnes n'est la chanteuse auxquels ils montre les 45 tours ce sont toutes des actrices de cinéma etc. Avec la photo de MGM on as la preuve de la bonne personne. en voulez vous une copie de la photo numérisée et avec une copie du panflet orginal que j'ai. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia. Are you perhaps looking for the French Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Bonjour. S'il s'agit de donner une photo, ce serait mieux d'aller à Wikimedia Commons: c'est là où on met les images libres. Aussi, là on peut causer en des langues differentes. Mais il y a peut-être une problème : Ayant la photo n'est pas le même qu'ayant les droits. Veuillez aller à

I noticed that English Wikipedia allows you to preview your edits and also preview the edit message. This is not available in German Wikipedia and a few others. Am wondering if people have insights/suggestions on best way to preview. For example something like

[[Category:Cats]] or [[:Category:Cats]] would show up as a blue link in an edit message, but inside a namespace would either show a blue link, or behave as an actual category page. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:12, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah: - if you are working outside article space, then categories need a colon after the square brackets. Non-existent categories will show up as redlinks. Mjroots (talk) 15:36, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
@Shushugah: I just went to edit an article on the German Wikipedia, and it has a preview option just as we do here. If you are having trouble editing there, the help desk is at [3] RudolfRed (talk) 16:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: My question is specific to the syntax/limitations of the Edit message preview, not the article preview. For example I already know that {{}} templates don’t link properly inside edit message. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm currently constructing the article "Murder of Cameron Blair" (it's not anywhere near finished, so I'm not looking for general feedback here). The article is about a heavily publicized murder committed in Ireland, which involves two minors who, under Irish law, cannot be named. I am referring to them in the article as "the then seventeen year old" and "the then fourteen year old", which is similar to how they are described in Irish national newspapers. I'm just wondering if there might be a better way of phrasing this, as the constant repetition of "the then x-teen year old" seems clunky. Cheers. Xx78900 (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Xx78900: how about "the older" and "the younger"? In the lede, state "the older, then 17, and the younger, then 14" and use "older" and "younger" thereafter. If you think you should, you may use "the older suspect" (or whatever noun makes sense) but the noun can remain implied, just as it is with the clunky wording. -Arch dude (talk) 15:40, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
I see that the news coverage uses Boy A (older) and Boy B (younger). That would work.--

Who decides which companies get a mention and which don't? 1, 4 and 5 have a Wikipedia entry - 2 and 3 don't. Who makes this call and on what basis? Bernburgerin (talk) 17:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Bernburgerin: It is up to an interested volunteer editor to create an article. First, the company needs to pass WP:NCORP, and then someone can go to WP:YFA and follow the steps to create an article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 17:23, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

A compilation of four notable short films (Lieberman in Love for one) was published on DVD "Perverse Destiny Vol. 3." in Australia by one MRA Entertainment Group, probably now defunct. Is there any way of properly referencing this fact ? Cite AV media does not seem to cover this kind of publication. Doug butler (talk) 22:24, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Doug butler: Citation templates are for your convenience and are not mandatory. The information you place in your citation must be adequate to identify the reference so another editor or reader can in theory identify the published work. Just format the stuff between the ref tags to create a citation that is similar to the one generated by a template. -Arch dude (talk) 18:53, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks AD. I'll see whether the reverting editor considers that an improvement, but I think he wants a reference independent of the DVD package (quote:"Anyone can say that"), which is worse than unlikely.

Shortened footnotes

I want to add a large number of new references to a page (, most of which would relate to specific pages in longer texts.

I'd therefore like to change the referencing style to that used on this page: I believe these are shortened footnotes (

However, I don't know how to replace the old with the new. Can you help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andyisediting (talkcontribs) 09:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Andyisediting: Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors contains over 25,000 articles with errors caused by shortened citations. It's best not to attempt them at all unless you are highly experienced in their use. DuncanHill (talk) 09:18, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
@DuncanHill: Thank you. Is there an alternative that would allow me to capture page numbers in the references? --Andyisediting (talk) 09:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
@Andyisediting: I like Template:Rp used with refnames. DuncanHill (talk) 09:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
@Andyisediting: I've made an example page at User:DuncanHill/References. You can see there how to use {{rp}}, and I've given examples of using the chapter field in Template:Citebook which I think can be helpful when one book is used for lots of references - it can also help readers when different editions have differing paginations. DuncanHill (talk) 10:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
@Andyisediting: R. A. B. Mynors already has a consistent referencing system (it uses {{sfn}} and cs1|2 templates). Adding {{rp}} runs afoul of WP:CITEVAR so don't use {{rp}} on that page. If you want to switch the article to {{rp}}, you must gain consensus for that at Talk:R. A. B. Mynors. There are no sfn errors in that article and, comments here to the contrary, using {{sfn}} does not require an advanced degree in rocket science. There are tools available to assist in the implementation of {{sfn}}-based short-form citations. See Category:Harv and Sfn template errors.
Trappist the monk (talk) 10:39, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: Andy isn't talking about the Mynors article, it's the Gubegna article he wants to improve, and that does not use shortened refs. DuncanHill (talk) 10:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
And the Mynors article is not consistent in using shortened citations, I count three (used between them nine times) which are not. DuncanHill (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Oh - and it didn't start with shortened citations, see original version, and there is no discussion on the talk page to approve changing to them. DuncanHill (talk) 11:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Goodness! So much anger. Yeah, I erred in my understanding of the question. On 10 May 2021, R. A. B. Mynors was promoted to FA. Since that version of the article, decay; it happens to every article, FA or otherwise. Still, the preponderance of citations in the article body are {{sfn}}. That the article made it through GAN, two peer reviews, and two FACs suggests that consensus for the current CITEVAR was achieved; how, I don't know – I stay away from those discussions – too much drama.
Trappist the monk (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Not angry, just dispirited.

Turner was born two miles from Nottingham Racecourse in north Nottinghamshire, one of three daughters of Kate and Richard Turner.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Arteeeze (talkcontribs) 10:04, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

This is a newly-created organisation, so I am creating a page for it out of the precious Cambridge University Press page. The infobox however is not formatting properly, and I can't work out where I have typed the wrong thing. Help in rectifying this would be appreciated ASAP.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabius Planciades Fulgentius (talkcontribs) 4 August 2021 11:45 (UTC)

I've cleared up the mess at the top of the article, by ensuring that the square brackets within the infobox were paired up. Something that's not clear to me: is "Cambridge University Press & Assessment" a new name for "Cambridge University Press"? If not, how are they related? This ought to be explained in the first paragraph of the article. Maproom (talk) 13:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I see. The very well known Cambridge University Press, and the long established Cambridge Local Examinations Syndicate, have merged, into an organisation using a name that no-one has heard of. You are merging the two Wikipedia articles, without prior discussion. I really don't think that's a good idea. Maproom (talk) 14:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing this up. However, I don't think that is an issue at all. This is a well-publicised merger and there is no reason why this would be objected to considering that the old Cambridge Assessment page redirects to this page. Also, the Wikipedia pages of the preceding organisations are now redundant - so *not* doing the merger makes no sense.Fabius Planciades Fulgentius (talk) 15:37, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
No, Fabius Planciades Fulgentius, just because an organisation has merged with another one does not necessarily mean that Wikipedia's article about it is redundant. Things that were notable remain notable even if they cease to exist. If they transform into something else, sometimes it's appropriate to move the article and add new information, but sometimes it's more appropriate to create a new article. A fortiori, if two organisations merge it is sometimes appropriate to keep both articles and add a new one. The merge may make sense, but certainly needs discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Ok, point taken regarding the need for further discussion to iron out any potential objections. However, I still maintain that in this case it is a non-issue. The new page is the re-named University Press page and the Assessment page (from which all relevant details were merged) was relatively sparse. Furthermore, the merger is really a top-level organisational reshuffle that doesn't affect the examination boards under Cambridge Assessment (each with their own pages) as well as the underlying publishing structures of the Press. It is *not* the same thing as two companies merging to form an entirely distinct entity. — Preceding

I noticed that List of ISO 639-3 codes has a module(?) that allows for searching based on codes, this is something that I've never seen before. Is having this sort of thing in an article something that needs approval in advance? And is there a list of articles in mainspace that have this sort of capability?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talkcontribs) 4 August 2021 13:43 (UTC)

Hello, this user keeps on reverting changes to page adding details to the misuse of the name linked to spam, he also reverts talking about it on his user talk page, deleting the section without reply.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BaboonOSX (talkcontribs) 4 August 2021 13:55 (UTC)

Because his edit was vandalism and acusing me because of that. Frank6292010 (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
I wouldn't call that edit "vandalism," but I would agree with Frank6292010 that it's inappropriate, as it violates WP:UNDUE; we don't put spam warnings on Bill Gates's page either. Wikipedia is not here to right great wrongs. OhNoitsJamie Talk 14:05, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
Why is this same warning on the German wikipedia then?[1] BaboonOSX (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
German Wikipedia may have different conventions to (they are all separate projects). Also WP:OSE; & FWIW I would agree this is not vandalism but good faith edits which may (or may not) be unencyclopedic but a clearer explanantion for removal would be useful. Eagleash (talk) 14:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
@BaboonOSX: See WP:REMOVED. A user may remove (almost) anything from the user's own talk page, without replying. Other users are free to interpret this as an acknowledgement that the user has read the removed content. It's probably better to reply at least in the edit summary. -Arch dude (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


Help with logging in.

(I know there is a page for this, but nothing there helped me with my problem.)

I am trying to log in to Wikipedia on another device but; Whenever I log in, it says my password is incorrect, even though I am sure it is correct. And whenever I let it make an email I do not receive it. Thank you. HenryOmarCCCmango (talk) 16:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

I would like to put a picture of an Army WW II Hospital ship with an posting. How can I do this.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coxalanx (talkcontribs) 16:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Coxalanx: You can use the Wikipedia:File upload wizard, which will prompt you for copyright-related information. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:34, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

How can one create a PDF of the article "Brahmic Scripts" that does not crop the wide tables of characters included in the article? The current "Download as PDF" only includes the first 12 of the 34 columns in the first wide table (consonants) and the first 14 of the 41 columns of the second wide table (vowels).--SkierJohn (talk) 16:52, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Can someone explain why I am getting cite errors [[4]]? The references seem to be displaying and linking perfectly so I'm not sure why it is also throwing an error message. Thanks! Somatochlora (talk) 19:48, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

A chunk of the lede, including <ref name="Pulfer"/><ref name="Determination"/>, was stuck inside {{


The article that I wrote, my hours of work was simply taken down by another person without providing me feedback or notes. They called it promotional and just took it down. However, whatever I wrote was cited from newspaper articles and other IMDB sources. It's my hours of work. I cannot believe that the content that I provided was simply deleted without me having any access to it, or even before getting a chance of editing it. I was not provided any feedback either.

Please give me access back to the content I created. I don't know who deleted it, but they cannot hold my content hostage. Please get back to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pathgechhe (talkcontribs) 22:37, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

The deletion log visible at Neil Mukherjee tells you who deleted it. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:44, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
‎Pathgechhe (ec) I'm sorry that you haven't had a good experience. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and diving right in can often lead to the feelings that you are probably feeling right now. We usually suggest that editors gain experience by first editing existing articles and also using the new user tutorial.
You may request undeletion at Deletion Review, but to succeed you will need to show how the deleting admin erred, or any new information that was not available at the time. You may ask the deleting admin directly for their views. I can say that most of what you wrote was completely unsourced(or at least the sources were not inline next to the information), and much of it seems to be your opinion instead of a summary of what independent reliable sources say about this musician, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. 331dot (talk) 22:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
You might also/instead say how you now realize that you erred, and what radical transformation you plan for the article if it is returned to you as a draft. (Tip: One part of this transformation would be elimination of the numerous external links at the foot of the deleted article: see Wikipedia:External links. Readers who are interested can look in a search engine for themselves.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Please give me access to my work. It is hours of work, and it cannot be taken down by someone's whim without giving me any feedback. Wikipedia cannot be that subjective...right? I will require access to my work to reform it. The thing that perplexes me most is the lack of detailed feedback. If you have to take something down, then provide feedback, give them the chance to do better, if they fail at that, or hold on to their opinion that they are correct even after giving them proof, then it can be taken down. More than anything, it is my work, and I will reform it. But it cannot be held hostage to someone's view, to be entirely taken down so that I don't have any access to work on it. And, I can provide proof for whatever I wrote. It's in the external links that I listed. It also has three direct references to it. I can provide more proof, but first my article has to be reinstated as a draft for me to work on.

And, whoever deleted it, should know that it's their responsibility to provide feedback, or we are dealing with a power differential here that has no relation to the work or the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pathgechhe (talkcontribs) 23:47, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

@Pathgechhe: As 331dot has mentioned in his reply, you can ask for the elimination of the page be undone at Deletion Review. Read the instructions and leave a request there so an admin can review it and give you a proper answer. Isabelle 🔔 23:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I will do that. If I get access to the draft, I am willing to work on it too. And, the links I provided are published newspaper articles. I was suggested not to include them. I thought references should be done through published if you can.provide me with some feedback on that, that will be great Isabelle Belato.

{{Lexikon des Mittelalters}}Edit

Hi all, does anyone know how to get {{Lexikon des Mittelalters}} to recognize surname in the harvid? Currently it asks for an author, which breaks harv citations (see Alaholfings). - Aussie Article Writer (talk) 00:18, 5 August 2021 (UTC)