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January 26

Template:Islam in the Americas

I made some changes to this template for a navigation bar, as you can see in the most recent edits. I tried adding a new section called "Cities", but it isn't showing. Could someone please fix it? Much appreciated. —  Melofors  TC  05:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Did this edit help? --David Biddulph (talk) 07:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Made in China 2019 film move

Recently, the film Made in China (2019 film) was moved to Made in China (2019 Indian film) with the rationale that there's another French film of the same name. However there is no article of the new French film (redlinker) as of now in the en-Wiki as can be see in the DAB page. Was that move justified? Considering that until the French film is deemed notable enough to have its own page in English Wikipedia, aren't we suppose to keep the disambiguation page as simple as possible? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Disambiguation is done to avoid having two articles with the same name. The name "Made in China (2019 film)" achieves that. Maproom (talk) 09:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
That. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
@Maproom and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thanks. I moved Made in China (2019 Indian film) back to Made in China (2019 film). Kept the redlinked Made in China (2019 French film) as per MOS:DABRED. Is it OK? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. If the French film gets an article, we can change again, if necessary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Remove the death date of NETAJI SUBHAS CHANDRA BOSE from Wikipedia

I saw the date of death of our NETAJI ... there is no prove that he died on 1945 and Indian government also didn't publish any date of his death...he is god for we Indian who has no death .... so please I am requesting you remove the date of his death just because Indian government denied the plain crash incident after investigation ... this is a mystery... and anyone has no proper answer that what was happened to him..

I am further requesting you please remove the date of death of NETAJI SUBHAS CHANDRA BOSE from Wikipedia.....

Please check this issue..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I just noticed this in passing and, for information here, thought it useful to link the Death of Subhas Chandra Bose article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
In the lead of Subhas Chandra Bose, there is a footnote to the date about the controversy, and a section about it at Subhas Chandra Bose#18 August 1945: Death that refers to a whole separate article about it. Seems reasonably well covered. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 14:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

There was no proper daate of his death...his death is still a mystery for Indian's and Indian government....he is a god who has a birth day but no death day... please remove the wrong content that he died on 1945 ... that is a wrong information — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:16, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

The date of death is cited, as is the information that many do not think the individual is dead. Wikipedia makes no claim as to what you or any person should believe- that's up to you. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, and allows the reader to decide for themselves what they believe. 331dot (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
The OP might consider the fact that our article Jesus gives a (rough) date of death for that individual, even though the belief that he did not (permanently) die, and is a god, is the most fundamental tenet of the entire Christian religion for the vast majority of its adherents. In such matters, Wikipedia might be said to be applying the principle of Non-overlapping magisteria. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 18:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Dashes for product names in wiki article names

I'm kind of confused about the article naming rules (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Dashes & Wikipedia:Article_titles#Special_characters),
the uniform naming of articles inside a category (for example Category:Canon_EF_lenses vs. Category:Nikon_F-mount_lenses)
and the official public product name writing from the manufacturers (for example, Canon & Nikon).
Who can tell me more about it, which options there are and their advantages and disadvantages? --Angerdan (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Angerdan, Rather than having us go on at great length on the topics you have mentioned, please tell us the specific problems you are experiencing. What is giving you difficulty?--Quisqualis (talk) 15:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
If you are wondering about the lack of consistency in lens names in article titles, I agree that several different characters are being used to designate a dash. If this is your concern, the place to report your observation and discuss a resolution would be the Talk pages of the two categories you mentioned above.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:42, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
At first glance, it appears to me that the articles about zoom lenses in Category:Nikon F-mount lenses, such as Nikon F 70-210mm lens, should all be moved to use an en dash rather than a hyphen (as the articles about zoom lenses in Category:Canon EF lenses do). The relevant guideline is MOS:ENFROM, and the usage of the manufacturer shouldn't matter, as almost all folks use hyphens rather than en dashes only because that's what's available on most keyboards. (I would also put a space between the numeral and "mm", in accordance with the ninth item in the "General guidelines on use of units" table in MOS:UNITSYMBOLS, but that may not be the practise in the photography field.) Deor (talk) 17:08, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Requesting a new article

I tried to request an article to be researched and published on Companion Life Insurance Co of South Carolina, US. The page I ended up on in your system said to post the request "in the appropriate location below" but there was no place to post. How do I request such an article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:13, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Go to WP:RA, then scroll down to the business section (or click at the table of contents); then click the most appropriate sub heading. You will then be taken to another page where you will need to click on the section of the alphabet (or letter) that relates to the first letter of your proposed article. I.e. 'C' or possibly a range like 'A-E'. You will then be presented with an edit window to add your request. Please note reliable sources will be required. Eagleash (talk) 15:17, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


This is my edit, and it wasn’t done ... why ?

I want to share my edit on the page of elahly , it’s reflecting the ahly club position and value — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abdelrhman87-vet (talkcontribs) 15:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Plainly stated, Abdelrhman87-vet, a disambiguation page is not the right place for content such as:
The Egyptian Ahly club is one of the most famous clubs worldwide for its big number of fans and great accomplishment either for its great values which is witnessed all over the world -
The song : always with the club in the good and bad situation
I always love elahly 
Disambiguation pages have only the bare minimum of information to distinguish one article from another.--Quisqualis (talk) 15:50, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Abdelrhman87-vet, It is also not appropriate on Al_Ahly_(basketball) S Philbrick(Talk) 18:51, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Orange Shellac uses

FYI an additional use for orange shellac is as an aid in grafting such as grafting paper-shell pecans onto native pecan trees. This process is described on the Texas A&M website citing the correct use for sealing the newly applied graft onto the root-stock pecan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:58, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you want to improve an article, you may discuss it on that article's talk page, or be WP:BOLD and add it yourself. RudolfRed (talk) 00:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

January 27

Six Million Articles

I see that the English Wikipedia expanded to and slightly beyond six million articles this past week. What article was added that incremented the count to 6,000,000? If there is an automated way to query this, what is it? In any case, what article was number six million? (And what article was number five million, and when?) Robert McClenon (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

See WT:Six million articles and WT:Five million articles#Thread for determining 5 millionth article. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:17, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


I look at the revision history of a page. It shows the most recent editor to have made changes to the page. The editor made multiple consecutive edits. After clicking on "Prev", I can click on Rollback, which will revert all those changes without an edit summary, mark my edit as minor, and tag it as "Rollback". There is also something called "Sum" I can click on. It does all the same things as Rollback but allows me to write an edit summary explaining the revert. Where does "Sum" come from?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:49, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Bbb23: This tool adds a "Sum" link: User:Gracenotes/rollback.js. Do you have it installed?
(ec) @Bbb23: Maybe User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js, run by your User:Bbb23/common.js? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
You forgot to sign, RudolfRed, but you're correct, it's the Gracenotes script. My god, I installed that back in 2010! So, I have a few questions. Is there a parameter I can use on the script that will prevent it from tagging my reverts as Rollback? From marking it as minor? If no, is there another tool that will accomplish the same thing, i.e., only one click, but without the collateral baggage? Is there a setting in Twinkle that would do it? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 03:13, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

How do I (can I?) reuse a book citation but with a different page number?

I'm working on a draft and I need to cite the same book twice, but different page numbers. I currently have text something like this (I've used nowiki here so you can see the formatting):

> Montier reportedly added two rear seats hanging over the back of the rear axle to comply with the ACO regulations;<ref name="Spurring">{{Cite book|last=Spurring|first=Quentin|date=2015|title=Le Mans 1923–29|location=Yeovil|publisher=[[Haynes Publishing]]|ISBN=978-1-91050-508-3|page=76-7}}</ref>

> Montier returned to Le Mans in 1924 with his modified Ford special, now fitted with 4-wheel brakes. Again Montier drove it himself with his brother-in-law Albert Ouriou.<ref name="Spurring110">{{Cite book|last=Spurring|first=Quentin|date=2015|title=Le Mans 1923–29|location=Yeovil|publisher=[[Haynes Publishing]]|ISBN=978-1-91050-508-3|page=110}}</ref>

I was hoping I could avoid the redundancy of the second citation by using something like <ref name="Spurring" page="110"/> but I can't find a way to do it. Is it possible?

Please ping me if you reply. Thanks! --kingboyk (talk) 01:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners#Page references. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Template:Rp makes for interesting reading... not widely used, soon to be deprecated by built in functionality for book referencing, but appears to do the job I need. Presumably if it's deprecated a bot will come along and clean up the mess... I'll give this a go, thanks for the pointer. --kingboyk (talk) 02:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Does the job. Thanks very much indeed. --kingboyk (talk) 02:04, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Kingboyk: {{Rp}} (or {{R}}) is what I use. Just a note, though, it can look confusing if you have multiple references. Normally, this looks like:

blah blah blah.[1][2][3]

But if you use {{Rp}} on cites 1 and 2, it can be tough for readers to parse:

blah blah blah.[1]:23[2]:1[3]

My solution to this is to put the Rp'd cites at the end of the stack and put a space after each complete cite, like this:

blah blah blah.[3] [1]:23 [2]:1

or maybe with commas?

blah blah blah.[3], [1]:23, [2]:1

This may have been discussed somewhere, but I don't think my few uses have been reverted. It's certainly better than having to maintain duplicate cites. There's also the "two-hop" method using {{Sfn}}, which is probably more often used, at least in articles that already employ that style of referencing. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Why does this page have only 500 objects?

toolforge:linksearch has the same feature — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imabouttonut (talkcontribs) 08:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

It has thousands. It only lists 500 at a time. Click the next 500 link. - X201 (talk) 08:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@Imabouttonut: And if you want more than 500 at a time, you can modify the URL to change the "limit=500" to a larger limit. -Arch dude (talk) 08:52, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Adding a breif about a very well known public figure "Sheikh Mahmoud El Tohamy"

Dear Wikipedia Team,

please I need to send you a brief on Sheikh Mahmoud El Tohamy to publish on Wikipedia. Can you please advise how do I send you the info that I need you to publish.

thanks, Nada — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

First you need to read WP:Notability (people), then (if you are confident that the subject is notable by Wikipedia's definition) you can read the guidance at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Are you sure you are in the right place? Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with what Wikipedia is and is not. Wikipedia is not just another news, forum, blog/webhost, promotional/advertising/directory, or social networking site. It is a place for serious, collaborative, scholarly assembly of knowledge about notable subjects into a high-quality encyclopedia, with verifiable references to independent, reliable sources. Many people come here with other expectations and have a difficult time as a result.
Just sending a "brief" to someone is not really the way things work here. If you want to publish an article, and feel like you have the skills to write one that meets Wikipedia's criteria for content and style (it's one of the hardest things to do here, especially for someone new), then you may create a draft, and submit it to WP:AFC, where it will be reviewed by experienced editors, usually in 2–12 weeks. It is expected to be substantially complete – we are all volunteers here – there is nobody whose job it is to fill in/correct/expand on a stub article. That's not to say that nobody will take an interest in it and help it along, but it's not something you should expect.
That brings up the last point: a Wikipedia article about you is not necessarily a good thing, which you may also want to read (along with the other blue links above). If you have a relationship to the subject of the article, paid or not, you should read WP:COI and WP:PAID and must make the required disclosures as required by the terms of service. There are also other platforms, like those listed at WP:OUT, which may be better suited to your purpose. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 12:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Page name incorrect

Please check the page Draft:International_Bakery_Magazine

Could you assist in removing the word draft from the title — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darmy1983 (talkcontribs) 12:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Certainly not. Wikipedia is not for promotion, so you would need to remove all the advertising wording, and the draft would need to include references to coverage in published reliable sources independent of the subject to demonstrate notabilty in Wikipedia's terms. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Darmy1983: I'm afraid not; that is a draft article which needs to be submitted for review. This is done by placing {{subst:submit}} at the top of the source. Hwoever, if you do so, it will be declined as (in accordance with the articles for creation comment already left by a reviewer) it is promotional and therefore outside the scope of the encyclopedia. It also has little, if anything, in the way of references. Please see WP:GNG and more specifically WP:NMAGAZINE. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
The draft has now been deleted. Maproom (talk) 15:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Most frequently looked up - UK

I saw a (worldwide) list of the top 25 most popular searched articles. Is there an equivalent for the UK? Thanks Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:36, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

What No Super Bowl LV Logo Still (talk) 16:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using Wikipedia we can help you with? --Jayron32 17:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I mistakenly set a talk page to the wrong title

I meant to 'move' the main title to correct a typo, but accidentally set the talk page instead. How do I revert, and start over? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blauschwein (talkcontribs) 17:08, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: All Saints' Church — Ashmont. Blauschwein intended to move this to All Saints Church — Ashmont but accidentally moved Talk:All Saints' Church — Ashmont there instead. I haven't tried to sort it out, but I think it needs an admin. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

~ I have managed to correct this by setting the main page to the entity's legal name, Parish of All Saints - Ashmont. So this is request CLOSED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blauschwein (talkcontribs) 17:44, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Blauschwein: Not completed, because the talk page is sitting at All Saints Church — Ashmont. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:20, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: That's because I originally moved the talk page to that link, not the article. Now I think I blew up the small discussion on the talk page. Blauschwein (talk) 19:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Please ping me with exact instructions if you need admin help with this. --kingboyk (talk) 19:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

There was a talk page associated with the original All Saints' Church – Ashmont (note the apostrophe) and I mistakenly assigned talk to All_Saints_Church_—_Ashmont. It should be the talk page to Parish_of_All_Saints_—_Ashmont Blauschwein (talk) 20:19, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@Blauschwein:  Done Parish of All Saints — Ashmont now has it's talk page back. I'm not sure about the use of '—' in the title though. How does one even type that? --kingboyk (talk) 20:29, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Kingboyk, Generally, they don't. Tempted to move it to Parish of All Saints Ashmont or similar moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@Moonythedwarf: That would be acceptable. (On the mac the em-dash is option hyphen) Blauschwein (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Blauschwein, For me, with the Compose Key set up, it's Alt + - + - + -. If I didn't have compose set up, I couldn't type it at all. moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Wait a moment please before moving anything--kingboyk (talk) 20:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC).
Kingboyk, Oh, foo! Too late. Sorry! moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Looks I like I was too late with my request to wait :) Anyway: According to WP:COMMONNAME: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)

The MACRIS link calls the establishment "All Saints Church". The parish site says "All Saints". I'd contend that "All Saints Church" is the natural name choice here.

All Saints Church is of course already occupied. The style used on that disambiguation page appears to be "All Saints Church, Placename". So, by my reckoning, the name you are looking for is All Saints Church, Ashmont.

I have to go out now. --kingboyk (talk) 20:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

The most important word in that organization name is Ashmont, and many in the area refer to the place as simply that. website is and I am affiliated with the organization. Blauschwein (talk) 20:50, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
We are looking for Parish of All Saints Ashmont (with or without the em dash). The organization does not use the word 'church' in its name. Blauschwein (talk) 20:51, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
but the comma would be appropriate; it's on the website Blauschwein (talk) 20:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@Blauschwein: The article infobox uses the name All Saints Church. It is on the national register as All Saints' Church. It is on the The Massachusetts Cultural Resource Information System (MACRIS) as All Saints Church. The correct page name must surely be All Saints Church, Ashmont, or all these resources wrong?
That you are "affiliated with the organization" is of no interest to me. As I've already explained, Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources). And let's be clear: The article is about the church building, not the organisation you represent.
I'm sorry if my tone has turned a little harsh, but I am here to ensure that we implement Wikipedia editorial guidelines not pander to the whims of external organisations. Issues like this are exactly why conflict of interest warnings get issued.
@Moonythedwarf: Do you have any further thoughts on the article name? --kingboyk (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@Kingboyk and Moonythedwarf: You've been quite helpful. We'll be adding updated content and photos soon. Officialdom has been contacted. Blauschwein (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I visited the COI page and the concern is well noted. I trust Wikipedia (and contribute) and I want to keep it trustworthy. The intent is to provide some brief updated factual information regarding the architecture and some history, and add some photos. It will not be promotional in character, and no names mentioned. Feel free to put a tracker on the page if you haven't already. ADDENDUM: I will be doing the submission and will do it through a talk page for Wiki admins to evaluate. Blauschwein (talk) 21:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
It would likely be far more helpful to Wikipedia, and appreciated, if you worked on articles you are not connected to, and left the subjects you have personal connections to be edited by neutral 'uninterested' editors. If you do go ahead and add history, please ensure it is backed up by reliable sources and that citations are provided. [ADDENDUM belatedly noted: that sounds like a better idea, thanks]
That said, a better quality photo, suitably licenced, would definitely be welcome. --kingboyk (talk) 23:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I am sorting through images, including my own, to make sure we have a suitable one (or more?). I have posted the one suggested change with a reference to an outside publication. You will note it's a modest edit. In this geographical area and in the arena in which it most well-known, organists, it is 'All Saints Ashmont' (much in the same way All Saints Beverly Hills is referenced). The word 'church' is rarely used in reference to this, um, church...but it's your website. My association is intermittent and not professional, and I am not a member. Blauschwein (talk) 23:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blauschwein (talkcontribs) 23:56, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
All Saints' Episcopal Church (Beverly Hills, California)?
Anyway: Thanks for the reply. I think that's more than enough pontificating from me. Good luck with your edits. --kingboyk (talk) 00:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Pontificating... cue rimshot. Blauschwein (talk) 12:45, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

List of games with Gold

We are asking to put back the article of the list of games with Gold. It would really help especially us who are an avid fan of Xbox and also a gamer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:14, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I have no idea what you are talking about, but it sounds as if you are asking for a deleted article to be restored. You need to give us the correct name of the article to find that. I have no idea what "Gold" might mean, and Gold (disambiguation) doesn't seem to have any relevant entries.
Deletion normally happens after a discussion, which you can read if we can find the deleteion log; but no article called "List of games with Gold" appears to have been deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I'd wager they're referring to this. --kingboyk (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Games with Gold games (2nd nomination). Robert McClenon (talk) 17:33, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

How to write an edit summary when using rollback?

How to write an edit summary when using rollback?--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 20:43, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know, this is not possible.
Dominic035  Talk  Contribs  My Sandbox 
21:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@SharabSalam: There is an alternative approach which achieves what you asked for, but takes longer than using rollback: you can go the history tab, click on the version you want to roll back to, and click Edit. Enter an edit summary, and save the page. The old version will be restored and your edit summary will be in the page history. --kingboyk (talk) 22:21, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Try using Twinkle. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:09, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

References not appearing correctly when using reflist

I am using named references with a ref list on this article (screenshot provided) but for some reason a number of the references aren't appearing in the reference section at the end. The first 4 have worked, but the rest of them do not appear. There is no difference (that I can see) with the way I've written these references from the first four.

The page is on my sandbox, I'm not sure if it is accessible to anyone but the link is here: User:Aidandiprima/sandbox

I'm following the reflist reference style listed here: Help:List-defined_references

Any help would be appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidandiprima (talkcontribs) 22:59, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@Aidandiprima: On all named references from the one following the text Mirella gave birth to Hagar that year. to the end, you have used different quotation marks. I'm not sure if the difference will show up properly here, but you will need to replace all instances of with ", which have been used in the first four references. Easiest thing to do would be to copy/paste the whole article text from the edit window into Notepad or something similar and do a Find/Replace on all instances of , replacing them with ", then paste back into the Edit window and save. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 23:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Wkipedia doesn't use curly quotes. Ref names are surrounded by straight quotes, not curly quotes. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:07, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

January 28

Making edits, and getting them accepted

Hi, I tried making some edits to correct some errors in an article about Ellen Ternan. They were rejected by Gogolwold withing 30 seconds----hardly sufficient time to read them, let alone verify the facts! I replied to Gogolwold explaining the need for the corrections, but received no response. Can someone please advise how one can make edits with the confidence that they will be verified before being peremptorily rejected. Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:5499:4A00:150E:540:106F:7A6C (talk) 00:24, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

It isn't clear where you attempted to reply to User:Gogolwold; apparently not at User talk:Gogolwold and there were no further edits from Special:Contributions/Slingsbyb other than your attempted edit to Ellen Ternan. If you wish to discuss the article, the place to do it it as Talk:Ellen Ternan, supporting your proposed changes by references to published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
You made a number of changes in the form of parenthetical editorial comments and with no references. Any new changes patroller would revert such a contribution "within 30 seconds" without further analysis. But that's OK! See WP:BRD. It does not mean Wikipedia completely rejects your changes, it merely means that one other editor (well, two other editors of you count me) thinks you need to discuss them first. Proceed to the articles talk page and raise your issues there. You will have a bigger impact if you can provide reliable sources. -Arch dude (talk) 02:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Greetings, Slingsbyb. Please note that not only is it better if you use reliable sources to support your editorial asides in the article Ellen Ternan, it is absolutely essential. The article is not a place to battle for the victory of one's chosen perspective. Even with very good sources in support of your views, your wording was entirely unencyclopedic. Wikipedia is not a public forum. Please take this to heart in your future Wikipedia edits, new editor. And kindly make the effort to sign in to your account prior to editing. It will save your fellow editors a lot of work.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Thankyou all for your help-. As a first time 'editor' , I was not sure how to proceed---so I just inserted my comments with the expectation that someone would contact me for verification/refutation before publication. I have found it very difficult, as an aging beginner, to find my way through all these 'talk' pages. Is there a simple step by step user guide somewhere in the system for establishing these 'talk pages'?

Cheers, Slingsbyb — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Help:Talk pages may show you a thing or two. Also check the articles it links tto.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


Is there any way to stop someone from adding personal information about you on a page you didn't create? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susansteinberg (talkcontribs) 00:40, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

What can I do about someone repeatedly adding personal information to a page about which I'm the subject? I didn't create the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Susansteinberg (talkcontribs) 00:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

See WP:Autobiography#Problems in an article about you. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Susansteinberg If the information in question is publicly available, it will be difficult to just remove it. If it is not publicly available, you should discuss the issue with the other editors involved, either directly or on the article talk page. You may also want to verify your identity with Wikipedia by following the instructions at WP:REALNAME. 331dot (talk) 00:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
@Susansteinberg: You might also wish to read WP:BLP to see the policy on what is appropriate and what is not appropriate information about living people. -Arch dude (talk) 02:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Gary Owen

You are insensitive and racist!!! Calling Gary Owens a “wigger”. Look up your explanation of a wigger. Shame on you Wikipedia. Maybe we should put you on the tv news or send these comments to a national talk show!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Gary Owen (comedian) had been vandalised. The vandalism has now been reverted. --kingboyk (talk) 03:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Saving A page (to book Creator??)

I have made "Book creator" SEVERAL times on this site while signed in and once again it says "o pages"; ALSO, tonight when I was trying to save a page, I tried to "help myself first" by going to the help page about book creator and EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS ENABLED I did not see the supposed box on the article I was reading that says "save this page" SOOOO 1) how does one create a book to save pages that STAYS UNDER YOUR NAME --just to save articles, not to edit or add an article 2) if Book creator isn't working, do you just add the apge to your watchlist to try to save it??? THX!!!Ruthhstraussmd (talk) 06:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

This question seems to be related to User:Ruthhstraussmd/Books/ruthhstraussmd/books, but I'm not familiar with this part of WP. Anyone else? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

changing username

Wikipedia has suggested I change my username but I don't know how--can't find out and when I click on my name, it doesn't give an option to change--THX!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruthhstraussmd (talkcontribs) 07:02, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Ruthhstraussmd, see WP:Changing username. In your case, I think "Users who have made very few edits are encouraged to register a new account and discard the old one." is the simple way to go. "Discard" in this case means "stop using". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

JAlbum -

I have been making edits to a page which was called Jalbum. My last change was a MOVE to "JAlbum -" because the real name as used by the creator of the software is "jAlbum" and when I tried to change the name to "JAlbum" it was disallowed because there was already a redirection page called "JAlbum". Apparently the history is that there was originally a page called JAlbum that has been deleted for irrelevance. (see the "talk page" at Talk:JAlbum -- and also User pages at User_talk:MichaelJanich#JAlbum and User_talk:Pamonwiki)

After the MOVE, my earlier edits seem to have disappeared from the content of "JAlbum -" Is there anything which can be done to correct this situation without destroying history? Jimberryau (talk) 08:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

JAlbum has no relevant edit history, you can request a technical move WP:RM#TR, i.e., ask for admin help for a non-controversial "move over redirect". – (talk) 14:27, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done Page moved to JAlbum, and {{lowercase title}} added so that the title renders as jAlbum. --kingboyk (talk) 01:54, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Help with correct syntax/formatting to use with occupation edits (and is there a simpler way?).

Hello there, Finding this all a bit overwhelming - so hoping for a kind soul to explain. I'm definitely on visual editing rather than source as this is early days! I can not see a simple way to update a person who only has one occupation listed (in the infobox person section) and now has another job role to add. Firstly, am I looking in the right place to update/edit? I can not find anywhere apart from the infobox to add occupation details. If I select infobox person edit: I see occupation is: { { hlist|Author } } I would like to add Radio Presenter to that so 2 occupations show in the infobox. Would it look like this: { { hlist|Author, Radio Presenter } } or { { hlist|Author } } { { hlist|Radio Presenter } }

(Minus the spaces - done so you could see the formatting)

Or am I completely missing the mark - I've looked at other pages and seen different layouts and formatting just to confuse me more. I'd be grateful if you could go easy on me as this is my first edit and want to figure things out without impacting on existing information in a messy/unhelpful way. The visual editing for beginners is great, but as soon as you need to stray from the basic text, it becomes a steep learning curve. Hope that made sense and thank you in advance for any help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FrankenElvis (talkcontribs) 09:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, FrankenElvis. The place to look is Template:hlist, which shows that you need {{hlist|Author|Radio Presenter}}. (Don't look at the source of this post: it's how it appears on the published page that you must put into the source of the article). When you see double curly brackets, it's almost always using a template, which you can look at by typing the name into the search box with "Template:" on the front. --ColinFine (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, I will give that a go. Appreciate the help. FrankenElvis (talk) 16:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Can not upload photo :-(

I like to upload a photo but i receive this message:

We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikimedia Commons. Please only upload photos that you took yourself with your camera, or see what else is acceptable. See the guide to make sure the file is acceptable and learn how to upload it on Wikimedia Commons.

The photo was made by my father as slide wich I scanned to a jpg file. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frans Netherlands (talkcontribs) 10:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

  • @Frans Netherlands: For starters, questions about Wikimedia Commons (a separate but related project) should be asked at commons:Commons:Help Desk rather than here on Wikipedia. That being said I can try to answer.
First of all, there are some copyright questions to determine. Be careful that holding the physical photograph does not automatically mean you have the copyright as well. If your father is still alive, he retains the copyright to the photograph (unless he was a work-for-hire photographer). He will need to agree to the Commons license (which basically says anyone, anywhere, can use the picture for free, for any use) before uploading it. Assuming your father is dead, you might have inherited the copyright to the photograph. Furthermore, I assume the photograph does not contain copyrighted elements (for instance, if you take a photograph of the screen during a movie projection, you will not be able to publish it yourself without violating the film director's copyright).
If you have the copyright or the assent of the copyright holder (your father), you can release it under the Commons license. I assume your problem is due to the Wikimedia Commons upload wizard wording: during the "release rights" step you ticked "this file is not my own work", and none of the subsequent options work. I would think you can tick "this file is my own work" (because even if it is an incorrect answer to the question asked, the real question is whether you hold the copyright) in that case. Make sure to describe precisely the actual author of the work in the file description later on.
The wording is fairly misleading, I will raise it with the Commons folk soon. TigraanClick here to contact me 12:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Suggesting of edits to the protected pages by unregistered users

Greetings, there should be a suggest edit link on protected pages for suggesting of edits by unregistered users to those who can edit if deemed fit. This may not be the right place for posting this suggestion, if so, please help it reach right place. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:15, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

The talk page of each article exists for that purpose, either informally or as a formal edit request. 331dot (talk) 11:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
If you click the "View source" tab then there is a link "Submit an edit request". PrimeHunter (talk) 11:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


Hello how do i make a draft a published article please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magadu emily (talkcontribs) 15:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

At the moment your draft isn't suitable to be a mainspace article. You need to read the advice at WP:Your first article, and also the manual of style and Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


Hello, I've just started doing some freelance editorial and marketing work for a musicians' agency and I am quite confused about the parameters of how I can use Wikipedia, so I would appreciate some advice.

I need to set up a page for the company itself as well as sometimes making changes to their artists' pages. A few years ago, the company did this incorrectly and was blocked.

From what I've read, if I'm employed by the agency I'm not allowed to make changes or create a page. However the company would be able to hire someone outside the company to do this. I don't really understand this and wonder if it's correct?

We absolutely understand the imperative for objectively verifiable information and don't want to break any rules, but many companies seem to be able to create and change pages, so I would really appreciate some advice on how to take this forward in a proper manner!

Thank you for any help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:23, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

You (and your employer) seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages". This is a subtle but important distinction. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves(or their clients). As an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. (the notability for musicians is defined at WP:BAND) Wikipedia is not interested in what a musician (or their PR people) want to say about themselves, in enhancing search results for them, or helping their fans. You seem to be aware of it already, but please review conflict of interest and paid editing(you will need to comply with the latter, this is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory) Reliable sources does not include press releases, interviews, routine announcements, or other primary sources. We're only interested in what third parties say, in what third parties that have chosen on their own to give significant coverage to. Feel free to show your employer this message.
"Companies seem to be able to create and change pages"; that's not entirely accurate. Companies can propose changes on article talk pages as edit requests, and can create and submit drafts for independent reviews using Articles for Creation. However, most people in your position have difficulty doing this. It can succeed, but not always. You should review carefully the notability criteria for musicians(after making the needed declarations) and use the processes I mention here. Be advised, however, the vast majority of editors here are volunteers doing this on their own time for the benefit of this project, and will look upon your contributions skeptically. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
To answer one of your specific questions: no, you are not "able to hire someone outside the company to do this". From our perspective, such a person stands in exactly the same relationship (i.e., WP:PAID) with you clients as you do and they must adhere to exactly the same conditions to comply with the "terms of use" of the Wikimedia foundation that owns and run this web site. Each editor agrees to these terms each time they hit the "publish changes" button. Thank you for taking the time to ask here instead of trying to work around our rules. -Arch dude (talk) 23:04, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Accessing a deleted user page

I'm trying to build a case for a sockpuppet investigation, but some of the diffs I need for evidence are on the history of this deleted user page.[1] Is there any way to access this? Thank you.
Alivardi (talk) 18:54, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

The full text of the userpage, when it was deleted, was as follows:
{{Infobox royalty|name=Maharaja Karam Singh|title=[[User: Karama Kingdom|Maharaja of Karama Kingdom]]|more=|image=Aurangzeb.jpg|birth_name=Karam Dev|birth_date={{Birth date|1484|04|05|df=yes}}|death_date={{Death date and age|1526|05|23|1484|04|05|df=yes}}|birth_place=[[Barnala|Karampura]],[[Punjab]],[[Lodi dynasty|Lodi Empire]] (Present day [[Barnala]],[[Punjab, India|Punjab]],[[India]])}} .
I hope that helps. --Jayron32 18:58, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
It actually does help. Thank you!
Alivardi (talk) 19:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

January 29

process to edit and/or add to current information and an individual

I would appreciate assistance in describing the process of adding, or changing information in an existing biography — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:142:0:36E0:BD4E:594:7C35:4B2C (talk) 02:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@/2601:142:0:36E0:BD4E:594:7C35:4B2C: If the article is about you, you have what's known as a conflict of interest, and instead of editing it yourself, you should visit WP:ER or Wikipedia:Simple conflict of interest edit request. If the biographical article is not about you, please visit Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure to learn how to edit. You can also discuss your edits on the particular article's talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 08:31, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit I didn't make is attributed to me

Please let me know if this sort of thing is a random glitch: I made a wording change edit to this phrase: "Its grass roots are based in the trade union movement" in the lead of the article Gibraltar Socialist Labour Party. I then had to re-edit that sentence. A different edit from the first one was then associated with my name. How did this happen? My edits both went through, but the first one is not in the article history.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:59, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Quisqualis: The version you saved is almost identical to this 2011 revision of the article. If you happened to be looking at that revision when you clicked "Edit", the software would load that old text into the edit window. This diff shows the differences between that old revision and the version you saved - were those the edits you made? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit title of the page

Please advise how to change the title of the wikipedia page. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeanliim (talkcontribs) 03:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jeanliim: It's a good idea for a new editor such as yourself to first discuss a title change on the talk page of the article. After you are sure of that the new title is preferred, then you change the title by "moving" the article. A new editor may not have "move" rights yet, so another editor may need to move it for you. Access the "move" function by clicking on the "more" tab at the top right of the article page. -Arch dude (talk) 04:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Can i post info for a new news company

Hi sir i am junior reporter from I am trying to upload info for my company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narailnews24 (talkcontribs) 04:42, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

(Account is now blocked) --kingboyk (talk) 05:05, 29 January 2020 (UTC)