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May 3

Any way to expedite an old proposal?

WP:CI has been sitting as a proposal for over a decade now. There is clear consensus in favor of it. Is there any way to get developers to stop dragging their feet and accept it or turn it down? Am I missing something? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 01:18, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

There's precious little we volunteers can do, but you can bring it up to the foundation at

I'm setting up another language wiki (Arabic) and copied over the citation module in an attempt to recreate the book and web citations. The citations are showing up correctly but they're also throwing an error that CitationClass was ignored due to an unknown parameter. I'm not sure what I'm missing. Would appreciate any pointers.

I don't spear arabic, so I can only go about what I can read from the english Wikipedia. The includes of the english Wikipedia {{cite web}} Seems to be as follows
Please go through the list and see what you are missing. Make sure to have a read of WP:REUSE if you haven't already. The use of Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css very likely requires the TemplateStyles extension. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:22, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Note that each of these may include additional modules. One of these internal modules is Module:No globals. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
I didn't check the others butوحدة:Citation/CS1 is not the current version of the module so I suspect that the others are also out of date. Where did you get these modules? Do the {{cite book}} and {{cite web}} templates at that place show the same error message?

I am improving the article of Degrassi Junior High, and even before I began editing the article, it has an unsourced end date of March 6, 1989. However, a search of CBC's archive sales page of "degrassi junior high bye bye junior high" (Bye Bye, Junior High) being the name of the final episode has a date of February 27, 1989 (it is the second entry). Likewise, on, this article from the Montreal Gazette ( from March 11, 1989 cites the series finale as airing "a couple of weeks ago". However, I cannot seem to find a concrete source that states that the show ended on February 27, 1989, let alone March 6, 1989, and TV listings on other newspaper archive sites are not helping me because there are too many re-runs and listings that don't have synopses. It is the same with the article It's Late (Degrassi Junior High), which I repeated the airdate of March 29, 1987 on the page, but the archive sales site lists it as airing on April 19, 1987. Where are some reliable places to look for TV air dates such as this? ToQ100gou (talk) 06:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

You should be asking this at

there is an issue i'm trying to resolve with a wiki article about a person with the same name as my husband but just recently my husband's photos started appearing next to that person's wiki excerpt when doing a google search for that name this other person is a famous footballer and has died and is clearly not related to my husband. but i can't work out how to remove that image from the google excerpt. it's also noted that this pic does not show up on the wiki article itself just on the google search excerpt. I can't add a pic of the footballer to the wiki page as i don't have any original non-copywrited pics of the footballer and there's nowhere to remove my husband's pic from being associated with the the wiki article. i don't know what to do to solve this problem, can someone help me?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Talazein (talkcontribs)

Talazein You will have to contact Google for assistance with Google search related issues. Wikipedia has no control over what Google does with all the information it finds. Google usually has a Feedback button in the lower right corner of the information box that a search generates. 331dot (talk) 08:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
331dot, could you turn this reply into a template so that it can be used to quickly answer these questions that seem to come up quite regularly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:41, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Dodger67 I'm afraid that is outside my areas of expertise. :) 331dot (talk) 08:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
We already have {{

Hi, sorry but by mistake I kept the "Draft" in the tilte of a new page. Who would be able to help) Draft:European Compliance and Ethics Conference Thanks in advance — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amrohs (talkcontribs) 10:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to tag Contact shot for having no citations in the text while having some in the references section, but I can't find the template for that. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

{{no footnotes}}? * Pppery * it has begun... 14:26, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: You might be looking for {{no footnotes}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:27, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Aha! I was searching for templates that included "citations", "references", etc. Thanks!

content not showing up on page

I created an entire section which is still there in edit mode but is not showing up when published. Any idea why? It was there earlier and I must have done something inadvertently which caused it to disappear. I am trying to correct the formatting, no error messages, the content didn't disappear, it's just not visible. It is a draft of article about Eleanor Young Love. Career section. Any help would be appareciated. Thank you.

FYI – Merged by Tenryuu.

I must have a formatting issue because content is not posting to wikipedia. It is available for editing but not visible when posted. Any ideas?

How do I edit pages of articles.

Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. You can edit articles like any other page on Wikipedia, by clicking "Edit source" or "edit" (

I am working on a biography of a living person ( I am still gathering up the pieces, and I have a question about YouTube videos. Clarice Yentsch co-founded Bigelow Laboratory, a research institution in Maine. In 2014, Bigelow had a symposium celebrating their 40 years of research which they recorded and posted on YouTube. In that video ( Clarice Yentsch speaks about founding Bigelow. Can I use this as a source, how would I cite this, and/or can I provide an external link to the YouTube video? I am uncertain if this is a copyright question. I also am not certain how to handle citing video of a person speaking about herself. And, to be perfectly clear, I have read the COI policy ( and I do not have a conflict of interest (I am not Yentsch, I do not know her, I do not work for her or Bigelow, I am not being paid)--DaffodilOcean (talk) 15:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

DaffodilOcean Someone speaking about themselves would be a primary source; Wikipedia primarily summarizes what independent reliable sources say. In this case, you have a video created by Bigelow with its founder speaking about her creating it. That would not be acceptable as a source. 331dot (talk) 16:03, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
It would be acceptable for direct attribution and paraphrasing what she herself said about her role in the founding of the company. The information is fine, with proper attribution, per WP:ABOUTSELF. The information, however, does not establish notability, because it is not independent of her or her company. --Jayron32 16:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the rapid responses. I know understand (or think I do) how to handle source, and I have other lines of evidence for notability. Just to be clear, there is not an issue citing YouTube? DaffodilOcean (talk) 16:23, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
That should say 'I now understand'DaffodilOcean (talk) 16:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Hello, DaffodilOcean: there is not an issue citing youTube per se; but much of the material on YouTube is unauthorised uploads, and therefore constitutes copyright infringement, and may not be cited or linked to. Uploads to YouTube that are authorised by their copyright holder may be cited if appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
@DaffodilOcean: to clarify - you're not citing YouTube, you're citing the video - and simply linking to YouTube as a source for the video. See {{cite video}}. Elli (talk | contribs) 17:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
What Elli said. YouTube is not a source. The uploader is the source. YouTube is just a repository. It doesn't create the content. --Jayron32 17:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
OK, this all helps. I think I have what I need now and I will incorporate this discussion into how I use the video. Thanks.
Extended essay-like content

Dear Wikipedia,

I would like to draw your attention to the falseness of this article -

Like several subject matters currently showing around this theme, the information seems to be biased towards the vested interests of pharmaceutical companies.

The article seems to give the impression, that those who are critical of the pharmaceutical industry are citing information based on lack of Reason.

It is important to point out, that it is indeed, Reason itself, which affords and allows for criticism of the pharmaceutical industry.##Is it, or is it not the case that doctors and hospitals are offered financial incentive for 'stocking' the products of any particular pharmaceutical company? Is it not the case that the pharmaceutical lobby in the USA alone was 250 in the first quarter of 2020 alone? (Daily Mail source).

The pharma industry is problematic because it pushes relatively low-intelligence solutions for human health. It is problematic because it is not based on metaphysics but rather, is based on 'Naive science', that is, empirical-reductionist science ... Newtonian physics ... science which is now outdated by understandings such as those of Quantum Physics.

We know, for example, that when a particle is viewed it becomes wave energy ... this is the marvel of revelation given to us not only by quantum physics but also by metaphysics ... As Kant stated ... we are not able to know reality directly via the senses ... Contra ... we must 'go beyond' to know reality directly ... in doing this we come to the knowledge that we are not separate from reality but part of it ... We are not separate from nature but part of it ...

The pharmaceutical industry, however, as an emblem of the last flowering of naive science, states, essentially, that the arbiter of truth is 'material', 'matter', ... 'form'. This is its great error - for real medicine has nothing to do with form, rather, it has to do with our connection to the cosmos, to universal law, to ethics and to developing truly as human beings ...

The pharmaceutical industry is problematic as it seems to be intrinsically linked to wealth creation ... it certainly seems that, as a force, in the world, its influence is potential ignorant, potential pernicious ... It aims to tell us that taking material from nature and putting it in pill form is the great way to cure all things ... It aims to tell us that health lies in the offerings of itself and hospitals and doctors who often buy its products ... Though there may be scope for such treatment to a limited degree ... it seems to be now be far too large ... What is more important, however, is that health is not related to this foolishness ... health is, as stated a metaphysical matter ... it is, to do with our relationship with higher consciousness, with an understanding of self as part of the cosmos, with will, with the unfoldment of our paths as beings.

The idea of 'taking a tablet' to make ourselves better is an outgrowth of childhood and the parental relationship. Activities such as mindfulness are far more effective in removing tumors than Western medicine ... I'm not saying tumors can't be removed by Western medicine practitioners but ... if you live your life properly, in tune with nature ... you are far less likely to develop such illnesses in the first place.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ADNamin (talkcontribs) 17:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. In the future, please be sure to sign your comments by using four "tilde" characters like this: ~~~~. Anyhoo, have a nice day! --Jayron32 17:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Well if you have something wrong with it, fix it. Also make sure to add reliable sources. TigerScientist Chat 18:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Offers to sell images embedded in Commons images

I was surprised to see the text "Do not copy this image illegally by ignoring the terms of the license below, as it is not in the public domain. If you would like special permission to use, license, or purchase the image please contact me to negotiate terms." attached to images displayed in the gallery of Modzurów. This strikes me as clearly advertising of services: contact me to buy this, more or less. I thought we did not allow advertising?--- Possibly (talk) 19:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I was surprised to discover that this is all allowed on Commons" "A notice such as "other terms/higher resolution available on request" are allowed. Contact details are allowed." However these offers to sell end up on en.Wikipedia, where they are clearly not allowed... --- Possibly (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
The fact that they explicitly say "Do not copy this image illegally by ignoring the terms of the license below" id odd when it is released under a free license that allows for all of that, the only requirement as I understand it is that attribution be provided when doing so. Perhaps this discussion should move over to Commons at [1]? Beeblebrox (talk) 21:02, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
@Beeblebrox: I think they are in line with Commons policy. I was going to ask at Commons, but first thought I would ask the question of whether the image purchase offer is OK here. What do you think of that aspect? I do not recall ever seeing something for sale on Wikipedia. 23:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Possibly, I think you should ask about this at the Commons Help Desk. The photographer has done something at Commons which causes advertisements to be displayed to users of en: and other Wikipedias. Admins there should be made aware of that. Maproom (talk) 07:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Maproom:, oK, done. Let's see what they say. --- Possibly (talk) 07:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Numerous Commons users responded and did not find much fault with the idea that the offer to sell is being passed from the Commons image page to the Wikipedia page. There was some discussion of the text and the user agreed to change that somewhat.---

Hi, I am a new editor and have updated an article that has been redirected and marked for deletion. The editor that redirected the article noted that this person did not meet notability standards. After reviewing and updating the citations, I believe that this person does meet the WP:BIO criteria and it makes sense to reinstate it.

I am not sure how to proceed.. Currently the updated article is sitting in my sandbox. I have asked for help in the talk section for the article in question but maybe it takes longer than I think it should for someone to respond. Sorry about that if that is the case. Any help is appreciated. Thank you. ScottishAccent (talk) 19:57, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

So, the issue here is that your edits to the actual article involved nothing more than removing the redirect, essentially blanking the page. 11 minutes later a user reverted you as there really was no other obvious choice. Your sandbox version looks like a decent attempt to resolve the issues previously identified. I would suggest that you use the

I recently stumbled across this list article, List of companies in Burnaby, and am wondering whether it falls under the criteria for deletion since it doesn't give any more information than the associated category, Category:Companies based in Burnaby does. Thank you. Daylen (talk) 20:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

I think an argument could be made using WP:PROD, or failing that WP:AFD but I just can't quite see speedy deleting it, although it is almost an WP:A10. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
It's from 2010 so it's not A10: "Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic". I suggest prod. We only have 16 "List of companies in [place]". This is not a common article form just waiting for more info.

When you do a Wiki search on "transgender", you see this. It is absurb. Fix it please.

Between the mid-1990s and the early 2000s, the primary terms used under the transgender umbrella were "female to male" (FtM) for men who transitioned from female to male, and "male to female" (MtF) for women who transitioned from male to female. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

I assume you're referring to the section Transsexual#Terminological variance. You can discuss the issues on the talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
It's a quote from


I want to create an article. Where can I start on ?


You should read this first

Category depopulation?

I'm fairly certain (but not 100% sure) that Category:Military aviators had quite a few more entries than the two (including the one I just added) that are there now. Is there any way of finding out what used to be there? Clarityfiend (talk) 00:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there is. Edits to the category only affect the category page itself, not any articles or subcategories that are or aren't contained there. You would basically have to search the history of every article on Wikipedia. JIP | Talk 12:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
If you disable "Hide categorization of pages" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist then you should be able to see page addions and removals for a watched category up to 30 days back, but I have mixed experiences with it. The only change I see for Category:Military aviators is addition of Category:Reconnaissance pilots in [3]. I don't see Lee Lue who was added today. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Oh, well. Thanks anyway.

Hi, I recently noticed an editor changing “Israel” to “Palestine” in an article. Obviously this is a political point of contention. What’s Wikipedia’s take on this specific change and is there a page of guidelines I can send to the editor if it is a change that ends up being reverted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yungli0n (talkcontribs) 01:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

It depends on the context. Link please? (Please remember to

WHAT HAPPENED TO NUDO AFTER INDEPENDENCE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackakawa (talkcontribs) 09:55, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

(Please remember to


I can't figure out a way to make the logo smaller so the infobox isn't as big. I'm thinking on using the logo_size fonction but I don't really know how to use it. Problem solved, just need to put : ...px . Ex: 200px

Thank you - — Preceding unsigned comment added by TIMEB2021 (talkcontribs) 10:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Image size problems fixed. But that's not the end of it. Your user name implies shared use by the company. That is not allowed on Wikipedia, see
now at de:WP:SPP#Benutzer:Karl-police. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How can I message all online admins for cross-language wiki administrative help? Karl-police (talk) 10:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Please don't. There is a hard cap on pings (50 IIRC), but don't just ping admins for that sort of help. If there is abuse on the English wikipedia, see WP:ANI - if it's across lots of wikipedias, you'd be better off at Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 10:55, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
What about admin "abuse" in a missunderstood way? I need that kind of help. Karl-police (talk) 11:19, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Try asking at meta. Issues accross multiple projects almost always require steward assistance, you can just ask there. Could you please be a bit more specfic at what help you need? Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:14, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Karl-police might I suggest you cease posting on english Wikipedia about your dewiki block otherwise you're going to wind up blocked here too. Grogudicae👽 12:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Now at de:WP:SPP#Benutzer:Karl-police. Closing here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Help regarding the Turkish War of Independence page

Hello Wikipedia help desk

The mentioned page has undergone drastic changes made by few specific users and has been passed off as a de facto consensus and even though these changes were never discussed, further requests of re-negotiation of these changes are shot down on the basis of consensus. I believe these changes are a violation of NPOV rule mandated on the page and at least want to add a {POV} tag. What can I do in this situation? Mordeniyo (talk) 12:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Mordeniyo You can discuss on the article talk page, detailing the specific errors along with any independent reliable sources to support your claims, giving due weight to how sources discuss the topic. We are aware of a coordinated off wiki effort to whitewash the article to be more pro-Turkish. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
331dot As I am not accustomed to being a user in Wikipedia I don't believe I will be able to voice my concerns in a just manner, can I seek the help of a more experienced editor/moderator? If so, how can I? I believe the article in dispute is, as of recent changes implemented by the said users, heavily discriminant against the Turkish side and is used to portray an unjust image as if it was just a series of ethnic cleansing campaigns made by the Turkish forces.
Mordeniyo The best thing is to start by visiting the talk page, and voicing your concerns in as calm, clear, and concise a manner as possible, citing some reliable sources supporting your position. Discuss the issue. If you can get Consensus for your changes, great! If not, there are various forms of dispute resolution, where you can get the help of more experienced editors, but they all require you to have discussed the issue on the talk page first. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
You may also try asking for

Hi - I work for Beta Technologies and understand that I'm not supposed to edit the article directly. I submitted two photos of our electric aircraft and landing station and would like to add them to the article.

Can someone help me? Abbeyblankensop (talk) 13:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Abbeyblankensop: I put the images in the article. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 16:13, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I work for the company that is responsible for the re-branding of a TV series that has a page on Wikipedia. We hired an editor to make the necessary changes to the page to reflect the new re-branding and re-launch in the US, however these changes were reverted by an administrator. What do we need to do to make sure that our changes will stay permanent, or to figure out who owns the rights to this page and request access? BumbleBH (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2021 (UTC)


Dear Wikipedians Wikipedia is made up of Wikipedians of many ages but what ages do you need to be a wikipedian?

there is no age limit (upper or lower). Young editors and their parents should read Wikipedia:Guidance_for_younger_editors and also the pages linked from there on advice for parents. RudolfRed (talk) 16:29, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Also, editing Wikipedia is not compulsory at any age. nagualdesign 16:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia has very little in the way of knowing an editor's age, or pretty much anything else about an editor in real life for that matter. Therefore there are no formal age requirements for being an editor, or even for being an administrator. There are age requirements for being a checkuser or a steward, but that's only because they must be highly trusted users. JIP | Talk 16:38, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
There is no set age limit for generally editing here, though

I had a concern that i wanted to ask about Wiki's updating speed,after the data seemed to have changed.

You can bring up your concern HERE or at

Is it a good idea to use Springer Shareable Links in Citations? Specifically, citations to sources that would otherwise require a subscription to access via the Springer doi. Here's an example of a shareable link: Thanks, Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

This question probably best asked at WT:CITE.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Copied the question over there per Trappist the monk's suggestion. Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Tyrone Madera:. Given the license conditions shown here at Springer I think that the answer will be "no". They say "Reasonable sharing is encouraged for non-commercial, personal use" which doesn't sound like a license suitable for Wikipedia, unfortunately. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't see that that's relevant, Mike. Tyrone Madera isn't asking about copying material from that link, but merely linking to it as a convenience in citing it. As long as those are authorised, so they're not copyright violations, then we can link to them. --ColinFine (talk) 19:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
According to the licence conditions "The shareable links can be posted anywhere, including via social channels and on other highly-used sites, institutional repositories and authors’ own websites, as well as on scholarly collaborative networks" which seems to me to mean we can use them. DuncanHill (talk) 20:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
DuncanHill & ColinFine, I'm glad that we can link to them, but is it a good idea? If this is a question best asked somewhere else (eg to gain community consensus) then where should it be asked? Tyrone Madera (talk) 20:28, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I would say yes, we should make it as straightforward as possible for readers and editors to access a reference. DuncanHill (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Duncan, Tyrone Madera. A link is not an essential part of a citation, but a convenience for the reader. As long as we're not linking to a copyright violation, there is no reason not to make that convenience as convenient as possible. --ColinFine (talk) 20:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@DuncanHill and ColinFine: Okay, new update. Springer also states that they can revoke sharable link access for more or less any reason (see the terms and conditions) and might list traffic as one of them, so I am still unsure as to if this is a good idea fundamentally or if this could lead to later problems. However, for all I know this is just a blanket statement meant to cover them in case of abuse and not actually strictly enforced.
I'm considering adding a bunch of shareable links to a lot of citations to replace URLs that take you to the paywall version of the sources that the doi would take you to, but I don't want to go through all of the efforts if it isn't (totally) clear whether that effort will indeed be appreciated or recommended if you understand what I mean.

Images used to be instantly visible when browsing Wikipedia but now most images need to be tapped to display. How to get images to display automatically? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:968f:2600:8fe:6976:898:3b98 (talkcontribs) 2021-05-04T19:19:08 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. This is not something I've ever seen: I think it depends on what system you're using, which you don't say. Generally, the people who haunt this desk are people who know about editing, not people who know anything about how the software operates. Questions of that sort are better posted at

If a have a parameter/variable in a template e.g. {{{text}}}, I want whatever specified in the parameter to appear, but if nothing is put in, I don't want anything to display, as opposed to "{{{text}}}":

For example, I want {{template|text=abc}} to show abc, but{{template}} to show nothing.

Very confused as to how I do this, thank you! Mcguy15 (talk) 18:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

{{{text|}}} (with a pipe after the parameter name). * Pppery * it has begun... 18:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Pppery: Thanks so much! Mcguy15 (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
In general, {{{text|...}}} produces ... if text is not set. {{{text|}}} is a special (but very common) case where nothing is produced. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thanks for the info, that's very useful! Thankfully, I figured out what I wanted to do here. Mcguy15 (talk) 19:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Mcguy15: {{#ifeq:{{{subpage|}}}|||-}} is a little hard to read. It can be simplified to the very common construct {{#if:{{{subpage|}}}|-}}. See mw:Help:Extension:ParserFunctions##if. An if function where non-empty means true and empty means false originally seemed odd to me as a programmer but it works great for templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

I have a short question I want to know if there is a way to make something on here. For example I want to do a whole thing on her about some children who were lost at sea can I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hi there2121 (talkcontribs)

@Hi there2121: Articles should satisfy Wikipedia:Notability. Writing an appropriate article is difficult for new editors. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
@Hi there2121: If it's a notable event that's backed up by reliable sources, potentially. Otherwise you may want to think about doing this somewhere else, like a personal blog or social media. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
rant about article content, legal threats

There is openly anti-Turkish propaganda. I ask that this propaganda be removed as it is any source in general. The accusation alleges that the Turkish war of liberation was launched to carry out ethnic cleansing.there is no evidence for that. There is no accusation claiming this either. I want this mistake corrected. Otherwise, I will go to the official courts.

"(19 May 1919 – 24 July 1923) was a series of military and ethnic cleansing campaigns waged by the Turkish National Movement" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Anti-Turkish moderators should no longer be allowed. without any resources. you cannot blame a nation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmyazilim (talkcontribs) 20:25, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

This issue has been blown well out of proportion and the article has already been amended. AdmiralEek (talk) 21:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
The proper place to discuss this is Talk:Turkish War of Independence, and be sure to bring reliable sources to the conversation. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:27, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
"Otherwise, I will go to the official courts." - we don't take legal threats well here. Please do not make one again. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 22:06, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
"I will go the official courts."? Would you even know whom you would be going to courts against? If you think Wikipedia was somehow legally responsible for the content written by its editors, you are quite mistaken.

Hello, While making a userbox, I was looking at another page for reference, and I accidentally deleted a part of the wikitext thinking it was my userbox page. Does that count as vandalism? (Note:I reverted the edit as soon as I realized my mistake) --Necctaylor (talk) 21:34, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Necctaylor: Nope. Vandalism has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia; it's when someone deliberately tries to damage a page or make it worse. For example, if I edited your userbox to say "This user sucks" or something, that would be vandalism. Honest mistakes are fine as everyone makes them now and then. See WP:VANDALISM for more information. DanCherek (talk) 21:39, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

May 5

Military issues...

As a veteran, I very much look forward to to reading and seeing the details(awards and decorations) of my fellow servicemen and veterans. Good example, just read of BOB FELLER('bullet'-Navy). You mention 'bout his awards and all; and that's it. Those awards and medals are VERY important. And, there are those that read you information and all; but. Have no idea as to what's what...

Most of our articles on military people include their awards, often in the form of pictures of ribbon bars, but sometimes in the "awards" section of the sidebar. Here is a random example:

How do I hide a URL in a footnote? This should explain what I mean: I made the edit that was changed by Newone. I also added the two footnotes at the bottom of this entry: I'd like to fix them as Newone fixed my Thaddeus Stevens edit.Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC) I fixed the Pietro Aretino entry (I hope properly) by changing the refs to brackets.Maurice Magnus (talk) 02:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC) I did the same in footnotes 6, 12, 13, 14, 18, 19, and 32, all of which I originally wrote. They are numbered [1] through [8]. Some have no verbal description; is that all right?Maurice Magnus (talk) 02:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Maurice Magnus: If a reference is just a bare URL, I recommend ReFill. After using it a few times you will notice that it often adds a bit more than just a title, like a publisher (mainly for news reports), authors, an access date, or a website name. Victor Schmidt (talk) 04:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I want to follow these instructions, but I can't find the edit button at

Open the article in question in your browser Click the 'edit' button Paste the following line into the very top of the article:

Click the 'preview' button to verify that your change did not interfere with any other parts of the article Click the 'save' buttonMaurice Magnus (talk) 10:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Style of References in articles

Wikipedia Articles have references at the bottom. Does it follow any uniform Style? (APA/MLA/Chicago etc.) Are there Style guidelines for editors to add references in a particular style? --Dattatray Sankpal (talk) 04:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

A number of styles are permissible and used; among them, the most commonly used is "Vancouver". Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources and the pages to which this links. -- Hoary (talk) 06:12, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Those pages are comprehensive, but long. In a nutshell,

Plz sir my usar name not create .Dear sir 38 yers not work create hire india goregaon my life is not solve no any budy show my self work anybody sum time create but no.salry back.plz help me than q — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Your English is difficult to understand. If you tried to create an account and the wanted username was not accepted then try another name. If you are looking for a paid job then this is not the place. We are volunteer editors.

Archive 9 of Talk:Microsoft seems to go through November 2020. The current Microsoft talk page ... I see two items, one undated and one from April 2021. Did no one comment there for 6 months? (talk) 07:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

People edited there, but they were either empty edit request templates or nonsense/vandalism - all were removed. But in general, you're correct very little of note was said during that period. It happens some times. -
long rant about article content

"Over 1 million Greeks were expelled as were all remaining Armenians in the areas of Diyarbekir, Mardin, Urfa, Harput, and Malatia—forced across the border into French-mandate Syria.[97]"

Errors can be easily detected even in the reference sources it has shown. In 1914, there were 1,500,000 Greeks and Armenians in population growth. 1914 - 1915 According to the claims of the Armenians, 1 million Armenians were killed.

1914 is the minority population in the mentioned Cities. Referance Note : 5 Germans, 3 Danes and 1 There are a total of 9 foreign observers, including Swiss.

Diyarbekir(Mardin) 67,518 Urfa 16,718 Mamuratülaziz (Harput,Malatia,Elazığ) 76.070

It is claimed that more than 1 million Armenian and Greek were killed in 1919. There is not such a minority population in that area. To claim that there was such a large population in 1919 is to deny the Armenian genocide. or the Armenian genocide is a lie. or the lie that 1 million people were exiled in 1919. Most of the sources are cited from the book of the Armenian Raymond Kévorkian.

8 references are given in the article. 91 Sjöberg 2016 92 Sjöberg 2016 93 Basso, Andrew (2016) 94 Kévorkian 2020 95 Kévorkian 2020 96 Kévorkian 2020 97 Kévorkian 2020 98 Kévorkian 2020 It shows as a reference in the article. : Vahagn Avedian

Some moderators are racist under this title. Please stop this information pollution to improve the quality of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wmyazilim (talkcontribs) 07:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

You've already been told: "The proper place to discuss this is

Is a company notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article if it has a few sites publishing about its crowdfunding campaigns and opening of its production unit?— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

You may wish to look at the notability guidelines for companies; but in short, announcements of routine business activities such as the commencement of operations do not establish notability, but if independent reliable sources choose on their own give this company significant coverage(not just what it does, but the company itself) it could merit an article.
If you are associated with this company, please review

I 'd like to insert a diagram in an article. But I dont know how to draw it. One option is to draw it on paper and take a photo, but I d prefer a more sophisticated image. Where should I ask for help? Is there a board? Many thanks, stay safe, Cinadon36 10:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cinadon36: Try Wikipedia:Graphics Lab. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Many thanks @Victor Schmidt:!Cinadon36 10:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
First thing to do is to discuss it at the article in question and see if others think it's a good idea, or if something similar has already been removed from the article. It could save you a lot of wasted work in the long run. -


I've created a page and published it but it isn't coming up when search online. Do I need approval from you before my page goes live?

RegardsCkk76 (talk) 10:24, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

You need to submit the page for review. There is a grey box that says 'article not currently submitted for review'. There is a button to submit the draft. Click there. As it stands, it will not be accepted; it has WP:MOS issues and lack of notability.
When you are

Guys, I'm from a small city, Ab Pakhsh, and thinking to add some details to the page of my town. The problem is that my city is very small and there is not too much references and articles about my city in english. May I use Farsi references to write my article in english? Rohalamin (talk) 10:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)


There is no documented |chair= or |chairman= parameter for {{cite conference}}. Should the chairman be shown as an editor, or not shown at all? I noticed this while editing Talk:Multics#Multics versus MULTICS redux Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 11:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

No. Unless the chair is specifically noted as an editor of the proceedings, there is no reason for mention.

I have tried to communicate with User:Elgerivani on their talk page and on Gerivan's talk page, but they are not responding, likely due to mobile communication bugs. Can someone help me find a way to communicate? They are obviously a good faith editor, and I don't want to drive him away with a block... Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 12:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Sungodtemple: Your only edit to User talk:Elgerivani is a generic welcome message they have no reason to reply to. They are using the mobile version, not an app, so they probably hear you. You pinged them a single time at Talk:Gerivan. They have email enabled at Special:Preferences but you don't. You have mentioned MOS but not linked WP:MOS as far as I can see, so they cannot be expected to know what you refer to. Their account is only five days old. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I thought I saw an email link on their user page but it isn't there now so maybe I was wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I'd be interested to know precisely why Sungodtemple thinks a block might be an option...? ——Serial 12:59, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't. I just think that someone will revert Elgerivani's changes, eventually alienating Elgerivani, leading to vandalism and a block. Sungodtemple a tcg fan!!1!11!! (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Incredible. ——Serial 13:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Sungodtemple, They probably reverted your edit because it removed 3.4 kB of their content and they may not have understood the edit summary "Egregious non-MOS compliance". You could try making smaller changes and linking in the edit summary to an explanation on the talk page. TSventon (talk) 13:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Also, it seems to me that the issue isn't MOS but rather a lack of sources. Explaining that issue directly, on the talk page of the article or perhaps on their talk page, might get the conversation started. As you say, they're clearly working in good faith to expand the article but need help/encouragement to learn about verifiability › Mortee talk 13:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice.

When I use {{cite conference}} for a paper whose author has a page on wiki, I can use|authorlink= to generate a link. In the absence of a wikipage for the author, how do I link to an external wiki page? Is it supported to code, e.g., {{cite conference|author=[[foo bar]]}}? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 12:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

None of the name-holding parameters (|author=, |contributor=, |editor=, |interviewer=, |translator=) allow external links. Yes, both of these forms are allowed when linking to articles about <author>:
  • |author=[[<author's artice>]]
  • |author=<author> |author-link=<author's artice>


New user here, keen to learn and do the right thing.

If I am writing something about a topic or person based on personal knowledge, how should I go about it? For example, if I am writing about someone that I once met and who could play five different instruments, can I write "She was able to play five different instruments." without a citation? It seems a shame not to be able to share this information with the reader, just because there is no supporting reference to be found on the web.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tak Kovacs (talkcontribs)


Tak Kovacs Wikipedia does not summarize personal knowledge; it summarizes what published independent reliable sources state. This is necsssary for verification purposes, an important principle of Wikipedia(especially for living people, which has stricter rules for editing). There is no way to verify your personal knowledge- even if you were willing to sit by a phone for as long as Wikipedia exists to take calls from readers(I assume you won't be doing that) and even then, there is no way to know if you are just making it up or not(I don't think you are, just saying). If something is not in a published independent reliable source, it cannot be on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Sources don't always have to be independent. It depends what they are used for. See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves. A claim of playing five different instruments is self-serving and would require an independent reliable source. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
As a brief aside, sources do not have to be web-based. Books and other offline media about the subject are acceptable if they're considered to be

With the new position of the article in other languages (kudoz for that), the wikidata item edit link is gone. Also, it would be a good idea if the user could select which languages are most relevant to one (and hence display those first by default). Spiros71 (talk) 13:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Spiros71: It sounds like you have disabled "Use Legacy Vector" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering, or maybe been selected for a test. The language links can still be edited via the "Wikidata item" link under "Tools" in the left pane but you have to scroll down to the links on the Wikidata page. mw:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements#Deployment plan and timeline has a feedback link to the talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
If I'm interpreting your message correctly, the add/edit language link issue has been reported at

I need to edit the heading of a page by adding a word. how do you do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rla2021 (talkcontribs) 14:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

If you mean the title of the page, you need to use the move function to move it to a new title. See Help:How to move a page. Is that what you mean? --Jayron32 14:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

If I take values of data from the plot shown in and plot these values myself, would it be considered a copyright violation? Astroriya (talk) 14:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Asked and answered at the Teahouse.--

A phoenix company is a commercial entity which has emerged from the collapse of another through insolvency. The new company is a new legal entity set up to trade in the same or similar trading activities as the former, and is able to present the appearance of "business as usual" to its customers.

How should we represent a phoenixed company in Wikipedia? Should there be one article for the two legal entities? Or should there be two articles, assuming the new company meets notability conditions? (talk) 16:47, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

It will probably depend on the individual circumstances. Do you have an example in mind? TSventon (talk) 16:55, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I'm looking at Everest Home Improvement. The company gives the impression they have been operating since 1965 but they are only 10 months old following administration. I have been editing about the administration and another editor in the talk section was wondering if the new company needed its own article. (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
My recommendation is to include the info about the new company in the old article, and explain what happened in the history section. The main reason for this is that the new entity is not likely to have enough media coverage for a standalone article, and the info has to go somewhere. If it grows in notability, you could do a fork down the road. It's not quite the same situation, but here's how the phoenixing of MCI --> Worldcom --> to MCI went. Original MCI entity: MCI Communications New entity after Worldcom bought MCI and then changed the Worldcom name to MCI after the financial scandal: MCI Inc.. I'll put this on the talk page also. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I also believe that this is a case-by-case judgement call. There are three possible approaches, and I suspect that splitting the article is the least common of them. Split the article when the two entities are both notable and there is very little commonality as perceived by a general reader. The other approaches are actually two ends of a spectrum. Either treat the old company in the "history" section of a single article about the new company, or mention the new company in a paragraph in an article about the old company. The specifics of this will depend on the relative importance of the two companies. -Arch dude (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the perspective, both. What about the infobox showing the founders and founding date. Should that be the newer or older company? Or the more notable company? I'm leaning towards putting the new company details in the infobox even though it is less notable, and having the insolvent company details in the history section even though it is more notable. Does that seem reasonable? (talk) 21:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I suggest both per General Motors. TSventon (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice,

Continental Miss Philippines America — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pageantwiz (talkcontribs) 18:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

@Pageantwiz: Do you have a question about that page? AdmiralEek (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

I couldn't get some text to indent properly at the bottom of the page:

Why wouldn't this text indent? It indented in preview mode, and it indents when I use this form at other times. For example, earlier today on another talk page, the form is the same as in my "3" here, with a little extra text after the template. (talk) 20:33, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

May by be preceding a paragraph with a single or double colon would do...? --CiaPan (talk) 20:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I guess "indent" is the wrong word. I wanted it to look like this:
indented text
with a monospaced font.

Hello, another user has deleted my user page. They claim that it made use of inappropriate promotion or advertisement; I do not believe it was doing that, and it certainly was never meant to do that, as I've tried to repeatedly tell them. Please help. Cjslaby (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

It was written in the third person, and included the marketing link, "You can find him on Twitter at...". A userpage is not supposed to be an advert for yourself, it is where you tell people who you are: what your areas of expertise are, and what your strong opinions are which might influence your edits. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
It was written in the third person because that's a common way to write a bio; I can write it in the first person if that helps. The link to my Twitter account is not a marketing link. My Twitter page is simply my most active online presence (it is not commercial in any way and my linking to it was meant to serve as an extension of my bio, not an advertisement for anything). I do not have a personal website, for example, otherwise I would link to that. Am I allowed to link to my Twitter page at all? (Some seemingly experienced users have pointed out that plenty of people on here link to their Twitter accounts.) And either way, what can I do to un-delete my user page? Thank you for your help. Cjslaby (talk) 21:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
This user page probably shouldn't have been deleted; I think it's being seen as spam when it isn't. I'm half inclined to undelete it as not unambiguous, and thus not eligible for speedy deletion, and if someone wants to make their case for deletion at WP:MFD, they can. The other half thinks the proper thing to do is tell Cjslaby about Official Procedure(TM) and that they can take this to WP:DRV. The first is a little disrespectful to the deleting admin, who gets rid of a lot of spam, the second is a little disrespectful to the user who was treated too harshly and now would have to jump through more unfamiliar bureaucratic hoops. Can we possibly go with option C, @Deb: undeletes it herself, or tells me she's OK with me doing so? I have seen a lot of long-term editors with a twitter handle on their user page, and arguably more promotional than this. This user has been editing a little here a little there since 2018, created a new article... they're editing in good faith. This is not an account that created a user page as an ad and left. I've looked at the Twitter feed, and this seems like a pretty bog-standard Twitter feed. This really does not seem to me to be spam. Deb? --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Floquenbeam FWIW, I brought this up with Deb and the discussion does not lend itself to option C. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, but I'm incredibly persuasive and irresistibly charming. Let's give it a while. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:09, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Citation needed Nosebagbear (talk)
@Nosebagbear: QED. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Hah, fair enough! Would love if this could get resolved that way. Alyo (chat·edits) 22:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I look forward to @Deb: deleting User:Jimbo Wales as spam. DuncanHill (talk) 23:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
How amusing. Yes, it's true that there was a time when nearly all of us had links to our websites on our user pages, but most people removed them about ten years ago after the consensus decision that editors should not be allowed to promote their external activities in that way. The guidelines currently say that "You are also welcome to include a simple link to your personal home page, although you should not surround it with any promotional language." It depends how you interpret the phrases "home page" and "promotional language". I don't see it as an invitation to get the rest of the world interested in the things you're interested in. Although I don't recall exactly, I believe my attention was drawn to this particular user's page after he was warned about canvassing.
I'm finding it difficult to achieve consistency in this situation. Look at some of the user pages that have recently been tagged and/or deleted recently as spam, and tell me what the difference is between my deletion of his page (after he had taken issue with my simply removing the Twitter link) and this deletion or even this one. Nevertheless, if Floquenbeam feels it's okay to link to a Twitter feed that promotes various events, I'm not going to get into an edit war over it. So I'm going to take User:Tagishsimon's advice and take a break from the spam-fighting effort. Deb (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Deb. I can understand a desire to take a break from spam-fighting - in the past, I was a big anti-vandalism admin but found that too exhausting and depressing - but I hope it's clear here I don't think you need to do so, this is just a difference in perspective, and maybe it's useful to consider this feedback you can use to occasionally recalibrate your spam detector. I agree we aren't 100% consistent in this. I hope you take a break if you want to; I hope you don't take a break if you don't want to. Thanks for letting me choose option C. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Is this option C? Is my user page going to be un-deleted now? My bio and my activities here and elsewhere are not spam, I'm not trying to sell or promote anything, and if other experienced editors take issue with what was in the bio I've indicated I'm perfectly open to making sure the wording (etc.) follows Wikipedia's guidelines and rules. I'm still so confused about all of this. I can understand something seeming fishy and wanting to make sure it's above board; but I've now responded and, I'd thought, clarified things. There's still this suggestion that simply by including a link to my Twitter bio, which is my online home base, I'm "promoting" something. Myself? The fact that I exist on the internet? If I were trying to sell something or make money or do something else inappropriate, I'd completely understand. But I'm just a historian on the internet. I promise the second I make a personal website I'll make sure that that's what I link to. But until then it seems extreme to suggest that there's something wrong with me linking to my Twitter account. Cjslaby (talk) 11:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, this is option C. I'll undelete the userpage in a minute. I might comment a little more later, but I'm pressed for time IRL and wanted to log on just to get this taken care of. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Many thanks to all those who helped resolve this!!

How to send the new info to Wikipedia? It’s my own career and name I corrected. I also added a bunch of career info. Maryann Price Austin, TX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9970:62F0:F8E8:6CCE:502A:75AE (talk) 21:03, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Maryann. There is no way to "send info" to Wikipedia: everything is done by editing articles, or talk or discussion pages, like this one.You are strongly discouraged from directly editing any article about you or with which you may have a

According to Wikipedia:Edit_requests#Making_requests "The simplest approach for edit requests for fully protected, template-protected or semi-protected pages is to use the View source tab on that page and use the "Submit an edit request" link at the bottom right; this automatically loads the correct talk page template". When I go to Template:Indian Independence Movement and View source I see no such link at bottom right or anywhere else. DuncanHill (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

It's a blue button. It works for me in an alternative non-admin account. Is your language at Special:Preferences the default "en - English"? Do you see it if you log out? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:13, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Language is en-GB. If I log out I do see it. So the trick is to log out, click the button, then log back in. DuncanHill (talk) 23:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I don't recommend en-GB (British English) or en-CA (Canadian English). You get a handful of different spellings but lose a lot of customisations made at the English Wikipedia, e.g. relevant links to tools, guidelines and processes. You see a mild notice at top of preferences: 'Your language setting of "British English" means that you may miss some local customisations.' I wanted a stronger warning in MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-gb but other editors opposed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
I do know that. I'd rather use my own language than a foreign one.

Marsha Taylor Greene

I am an Independent who just got done watching a long interview with her. She is new to Congress and just pulled back the curtains on the Republicans and Democrats she serves with. She told her opinion of Congress. We should all be aware of why we are in this political mess. Who ever you let write that piece on this patriotic women is a one-sided propagandist! I use to come here for my info, never again!!! -Mark French, register Independent

Who is Marsha Taylor Greene? Perhaps you want to suggest a change to the article Marjorie Taylor Greene; if so, please make the suggestion on Talk:Marjorie Taylor Greene. Cite reliable, independent, published evidence. Go easy on the exclamation points: the more there are of them, the more unhinged the writer seems. -- Hoary (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Are you sure you want to be editing in this topic area?A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 22:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Discretionary sanctions aren't problematic for editors who follow Wikipedia's guidelines. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:10, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I invite you to read the OP's post. —

I have been working with the Covid 19 table that contained cases and deaths by location. I have downloaded the table to Excel and summed the case and deaths for several several updates. I note there is a widening difference between the World totals at the first line of the reports and the sum of all the locations below the first line. Why does this difference exist? As of the May 4 update the World total is less than the the sum of all locations by 464,000 cases and less by 18,800 deaths. Are these assumed duplicate counts or overlaps at some locations? Anything further on the vast understatement by China on its Covid deaths?Excelworker (talk) 04:05, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


Hi - some additional info I added to the Great Sheffield Flood page has been undone because they seem to break Wikipedia's rules on advertising.

Two separate additions have been removed - they both related to a song I wrote and recorded about the Sheffield Flood. I wanted them in the article as information and not as advertising - I have nothing to sell nor any views to propogate.

First I added a link to a Sound Cloud version of the recording. And secondly I added the information that a copy of the song was given to Bradfield Council for display in ther offices.

Can I have these 'undo' decisions reviewed with the aim of their re-instatement?


Mike Lydiat (Mike Lydiat 2)

Mike Lydiat 2 (talk) 09:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Mike Lydiat 2, you're out of luck on this, I'm afraid, see WP:PROPORTION. Unless you can provide an independent (of you) WP:Reliable source, at the very least something like a local newspaper, who noticed that this happened and bothered to write something about it, your song should not be mentioned in the WP-article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:15, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
That said, I like the song. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
...Ok, I found something. ArglebargleIV, what do you think? [4] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:34, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, it's borderline between notable and not notable, but the reference is something, at least, and your wording is non-promotional. Overall, I don't have a problem with it. Thanks! --


I am Ankit Bhosale, I work as a Branding Specialist at Prince Mohammad Bin Fahd University, Saudi Arabia. Recently, I have created a page for our University President. Please find the link below.

There are few doubts regarding the publishing. 1 How long does it take to verify the Content? 2 How long does it take to publish it on the Wikipedia Page? 3 If I am employed in the same University, do I need to showcase Conflict of Interest (For our President), If yes, Where should I opt for?

As it's been 10 days since I have created the page, It has not been published. Requesting you to solve this issue soon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankit Bhosale (talkcontribs)

Ankit Bhosale, hello, and welcome to the Help Desk. In order for your draft to be reviewed, you must submit it. I have added the AfC header to your draft, so you can click the blue "Submit the draft for review!" button when you feel it is ready to be submitted. As to how long it could take, it will likely take a while. Please remember that there are only so many volunteers reviewing drafts and that there are currently 5,460 drafts like yours awaiting review, so it could take 5 months or more. We ask that you be patient as drafts aren't typically given priority just because someone asks.
As for you conflict of interest, yes, you absolutely must disclose this properly. Since you are an employee, you can find all the info you need here. You should fill in this copy/paste (as plain text) this template onto the draft's talk page and fill it in properly:

{{Connected contributor (paid)|User1=Username of the paid editor|U1-employer=Name of person/organization that is paying for the edits|U1-client= Name of client|U1-otherlinks=Insert diff to disclosure on your User page.}}

To quote the guidelines, "you must ensure everyone with whom you interact is aware of your paid status, in all discussions on Wikipedia pages within any namespace."
In regards to the draft itself, you need to fix the references. You should not just have a list of bare links at the end of a

Can you fix the error i made please. (talk) 14:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

What mistake did you make? I see more than ten edits in a row. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 15:12, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
If you go to the page history, you can click the undo button for the edit you want undone.

Am I allowed to, or does someone else have to nominate it? Félix An (talk) 16:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

How do I create a link to an article from a Wikipedia in another language (specifically, Italian Wikipedia)? This is the article ---> [5]. Thanks. I thought I remembered or saw, somewhere along the way, some type of template with the {{ }} symbols ... and maybe the prefix [it:] ... or some such ... but I am not sure. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 18:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: You can do this by typing [[it:Mario Cerciello Rega]]. See Help:Interlanguage links and Help:Interwiki linking for more info. Kleinpecan (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Is that really something we want in an article though? Beeblebrox (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Good question. I am really trying to add it as an "External link" or a "See also". What is the proper format for referring to an Italian Wikipedia article, within its counterpart English Wikipedia article? Thank you. The English article is here ---> Murder of Mario Cerciello Rega. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
I typed this in ---> [[it:Mario Cerciello Rega]] ... but it did not work ... ? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Requires leading colon else it is treated as an interlanguage link of the current page: [[:it:Mario Cerciello Rega]]it:Mario Cerciello Rega.
Also {{ill}}.

CommanderWaterford declinaned the creation of Sankovskaya because "It needs a little bit more than only one article linked ...." but we have some articles with only 1 page linked: Delligatti, Budhwar. So what shall I do?--Cesyro (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)]

Improve those other articles, or nominate them for deletion, Cesyro. See Other stuff exists. --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
You've basically created a disambiguation page with only one article. We have no need for this. Best Wishes,

I received a year-long ban on my IP range through my mobile device after reversing a vandalized page back to its original state. I reached out for help, but me and the administrator who I contacted could not figure out why I got specifically got banned. Reversing the ban seems impossible as the message I received upon blockage said my IP range was blocked, but did not specify which one it was, and all of the possible IP ranges linked to me after doing some digging were not currently banned. Is there anyway I could be unbanned given the circumstances? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 6 May 2021 18:11 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a ban on an IP range: I think you mean a range block. I don't know the answer, but see appealing a block. --ColinFine (talk) 19:32, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Anyone interested in this should see

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this. I was recently approved on but my account is still "Registered Guest". Does the upgrade not happen immediately? ToQ100gou (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:LIBRARY is probably somewhere you'll find experts on that system. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I just tried to add Template:Infobox book to An Examined Life. Did I do anything wrong with the template, or is the template broken? Edit here: [6]. I changed some other things, too. Maybe it was something I did? - Poydoo can talk and edit 21:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@Poydoo: Your edit included | author = [[Karan Singh] — it's missing a closing bracket. If you fix that, the infobox should work. DanCherek (talk) 21:53, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

i wish to add a personality over wikipedia,so please let me know how ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nismal Noushad (talkcontribs) 21:51, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


Would any of you happen to know if there are any developments concerning the technology used to display music notation on this wiki? I notice that these things still don’t work and say “Musical scores are temporarily disabled”. I thank you for your time. (talk) 22:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

It's tracked at phab:T257066. See also Help talk:Score. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

May 7

Samuel De Veaux

I have written a more extensive article about Samuel De Veaux, which includes a copy of his portrait, and I do not understand how to submit it. Could you please tell me how to submit it? Thank you.Bdaikin (talk) 00:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)