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September 19

Title change

How can I change the title of an existing article? Want to update her maiden name (married name). However, she has been featured with her old name in the news articles. Is there a way that this can be done in accordance with the Wikipedia guidelines? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, this is called moving a page. The feature is only available to autoconfirmed users. Since you don't have an account, you can request that a page be moved at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Eman235/talk 06:06, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I would add that unless reliable sources have started to use her current name, it isn't necessarily a good idea to rename the article(though a redirect could certainly be created) per WP:COMMONNAME. We don't necessarily use official or legal names to title articles. For example, the article about US President Bill Clinton is at Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton, his legal name, or William Jefferson Blythe III, his birth name. 331dot (talk) 08:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Sanbox Article Publishing

Hi, I have completed writing wikipedia article called Shri Jayanta baruah. What to do for showing in wikipedia page ? will it be automatically published ? Please let me know — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moshaddique (talkcontribs) 08:03, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

You haven't written an article. Much of your editing was in WP:Sandbox. You apparently didn't read what it says in the grey box at the top of that page, including: "Welcome to this sandbox page, a space to experiment with the process of editing Wikipedia. ... Any user can edit this page and it is automatically cleared regularly (anything you write will not remain indefinitely). ... If you are logged in, you can access your personal sandbox ("Sandbox" link at the very top of the page, next to your username)." The sandbox has indeed been cleared, but you can still find your contribution in the page's history, and from there you can copy it to your personal sandbox which you can create at User:Moshaddique/sandbox. It would be wise for you to read the advice at WP:Your first article. One important point which would stop your draft being published as an article is that you have tried to use Wikipedia as a reference. This is not permitted; you need independent published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:22, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Fixing geographical coords

In my spare time I'm fixing articles that need geographical coordinates, but I've now come across a whole raft of articles category:Defunct greyhound racing venues in the United Kingdom that have coordinates in the infobox but they are not formatted in a way that creates a geohack link. No doubt there are many similar articles created around the same time or by the same process. Fixing this manually is extremely fiddly and time consuming (example diff: [1]), but since the formats are consistent they would be ideal candidates for a script that could fix them all. Unfortunately this is beyond my technical capability, so I'm wondering whether someone would like to take this on. Also if there is a better place to post this request please let me know. Thanks.--Shantavira|feed me 08:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@Shantavira: That looks do-able; try posting at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Will do.--Shantavira|feed me 10:07, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Typo Team

I have just joined the Typo Team. I have just had my request for AWB rights declined. Could you suggest ways I can find typos and fix them without AWB so when I request the permission again, I can show the reviewing admin that I can use the tool correctly? Interstellarity (talk) 11:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Use the "Random link" facility to choose some articles, and read them for typos. In my experience, you'll be able to find some quite easily. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 12:28, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your input. Interstellarity (talk) 12:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
You could also do a site-wide search for commonly misspelled English words.--Shantavira|feed me 14:20, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Or Lupin's tool can be used to check all edits against the list of common misspellings - WP:LUPIN ~~ OxonAlex - talk 16:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: The Typo Team has collected a list of pages that need fixes: Wikipedia:Typo_Team/moss#Likely_misspellings_by_article_(main_listing). When I was more active on the team, I used the list of misspellings linked in the earlier answer, not AWB. RudolfRed (talk) 16:20, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
@RudolfRed,, Shantavira, and OxonAlex: Thanks for the feedback. Interstellarity (talk) 16:43, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

G14 and DABs without entries

See Ching Chang Chong (disambiguation). Currently, there are two entries, both songs which do not have their own articles and currently there are just WLs to the album pages. Would the page therefore qualify for WP:G14? In my view the page "disambiguate[s] zero extant Wikipedia pages" but I am unclear on the exact purpose and meaning of G14. Can anyone help ?‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 14:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like precisely a case of G14 to me, el cid, el campeador. --ColinFine (talk) 15:19, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
@ColinFine: - thank you! Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 15:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
A blue link in the description counts when it has information about the term. G14 was declined. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Foreign script

Sylhet seems to have a native name specified in a script that prevents some of the article from rendering properly. It's even causing problems in the edit window so I can't even remove it. MB 15:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Hm, I don't see any problems, other than the usual placeholder squares. What browser are you using?  hugarheimur 17:12, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
PS: Fonts containing this script can be found here or here. Cheers  hugarheimur 17:21, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Firefox 69.0.1, with all default settings (as far as I know, at least related to scripts). I just tried it on Chrome and it does look fine there. MB 19:44, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Project tagging best practices or guidelines

I was referred here from Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. Are there any guidelines/consensuses/policies on which redirect pages should be tagged with corresponding WikiProject banners on their talk pages? There are over 100,000 entries in subcategories of Category:Redirect-Class articles (and countless more redirects that are not) and User:Richhoncho and I have different perspectives on this topic, so we are soliciting feedback to find some common consensus or existing guideline. ―Justin (koavf)TCM 17:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

I think different Wikiprojects have different ideas on this one. I don't see how it particularly hurts for them to be tagged, especially if it's a WP:Redirect with possibilities. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:47, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Note, I just had a skim of the conversations above. I suspect nothing short of a full on RfC is likely to get something to be uniform across all Wikiprojects. Sorry I can't help. (If there is a policy, I'll be amazed) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:53, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Koavf is being a little economical with the facts here. The argument is whether duplicate redirect names should be project tagged. In simple terms, and as our discussion has gone, if YYY (song) and YYY (band song both exist and are redirects to the same article, then only one (at most, depending on the project) should be tagged as project worthy. Likewise, if YYY (band song is a redirect to an article at YYY (song) then Talk:YYY (band song should either not be project tagged or a redirect to Talk:XXX (band song (as would automatically happen with a page move). I almost exclusively work with songs and have probably tagged and removed project tags 1000s over the past few years, and only one editor, Koavf, has managed to object - specifically on 3 of his edits only. I have checked about 50 entries in Category:Avoided double redirects and none of those I saw were project tagged, some were directs and some were blank or blanked.
For the record, the edit warring was closed with “This is dumb. How about just redirecting the talk page like we do for all other redirects? In any case, No violation ‘ by Bradv. Advice Koavf has not accepted and actually reverted when I did this!
Full details of our conversation can be found at Koavf's talkpage. -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richhoncho (talkcontribs)

Parental alienation: Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope.

Parental alienation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Could someone take a look at the article talk page and advise me as to whether I am using the right approach? Would an RfC solve the issues, or would it just generate more walls of text? And what should I ask in the RfC? Is there anything specific here that I can ask an administrator for help on? I realize that just asking someone to read that huge talk page is asking a lot, but I am pretty much at the end of my rope here. Maybe just skim the last two or three sections? --Guy Macon (talk) 23:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: That is a lot of text to wade through. If you are getting frustrated working on an article, the usual advice is to take a break and work on a different article instead. Come back at it later. RudolfRed (talk) 00:03, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I am not particularly frustrated. What I was hoping for is advice as to whether I am taking the right approach. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: You use your brain too much. It has done everything it needs to do. Now it is time to stop talking and make a move. Do whatever you want; I'll revert you if it is not an improvement. Obi-Wan refuses to untangle that Gordian knot and uses his lightsaber to cut through it. Poveglia (talk) 15:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

September 20


Suddenly my password is not acceptable. We'll leave that for now but...

The message from Wikipedia is choose a 'more unique password'. You cannot have more unique. Either it is or it isn't. Not an error that should be on Wikipedia.Cannonmc (talk) 02:53, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Besides the obvious English error of "more unique" (they should have said "less common"), you have no idea whether your password is unique if you don't know my password (and every other password).
Per meta:Password policy your password:
  • Must be at least 8 characters
  • Must not be in the 100,000 most popular passwords (as defined by the Password Blacklist library)
  • Must not be the same as the username
You can read the list of the 100,000 most popular passwords here:[2] (looks like "123456" is now more popular than "password" or "qwerty").
Just use "Swordfish" (1171 on the list) as your password. They will never guess that one.[3] --Guy Macon (talk) 04:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The message is MediaWiki:Passwordinlargeblacklist. A similar message at MediaWiki:Passwordtoopopular said "more unique" earlier but was changed [4] at phab:T177018. "more unique" is a common term and there are different opinions about it. See e.g. [5] or many other discussions found with Google. Language changes and unique is often used to mean unusual. If the only correct meaning of a word was the original meaning or the logical meaning based on how the word was formed then a large part of English (and probably all human languages) would be wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:59, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Primehunter makes a very good point. This may very well be one of those words that is in the middle of changing meaning. Still, I do favor some amount of pushback when someone starts trying to change the meaning of a word. It hinders communication if the meanings change too often or too quickly. Yes, you can decide to use non-standard fleemishes and the reader can still gloork the meaning from the context, but there ix a limit; If too many ot the vleeps are changed, it becomes harder and qixer to fllf what the wethcz is blorping, and evenually izs is bkb longer possible to ghilred frok at wifx. Dnighth? Ngfipht yk ur! Uvq the hhvd or hnnngh. Blorgk? Blorgk! Blorgkity-blorgk!!!! --Guy Macon (talk) 13:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Risk of confusion depends on context. It's hard to misunderstand "Please choose a more unique password". If it had said "Please choose a unique password" then users might think it had to be the only one, e.g. different from any alternative accounts. Unusual is mentioned as one of the meanings in the three online dictionaries I tried: wikt:unique,, See also PrimeHunter (talk) 14:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
We could try "Yo bruv, your password is well minging, sort it!" instead. All words found in dictionaries, and used in a readily understandable way. DuncanHill (talk) 14:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Well ... since "unique" means something different to different people, "unique" is no longer unique -- Oh! the irony. —2606:A000:1126:28D:304D:E8A1:FEED:60B5 (talk) 17:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Obvious it should read "most uniquiest", so that even a quantum supercomputer won't be able to crack it, because the WP:CABAL demands it. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

A Glitch

Hello there,

I created this page Everything was alright until I noticed just now that a photo of some other person appears when I search for this page on google. However, whenever I am actually on the wikipedia page of Joseph A Ball (mathematician) (i.e., the page sited above), the right photo of the person appears. Could you please look into the matter?

Thanks! Sincerely, Haripada Sau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haripadasau215 (talkcontribs) 04:10, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@Haripadasau215: Hello, Google draws information from many sources and often displays it in a way that implies it comes from Wikipedia. We have no control over what Google displays. There is a feedback link at the bottom of the panel in the search results. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Downton Abbey

In the above page there is a "Crawley family tree" which appears to be from another "wiki" page. The name of the second wife of Baron Merton is Baroness Merton (formerly Mrs Crawley nee Isobel Turnbull. Upon Isobel's second marriage to Lord Merton she became Lady Merton/Baroness Merton - NOT Lady Isobel Grey (she is not the daughter of an earl). The references cited are correct but the titles displayed are wrong. I have corrected this information on the wiki page but it is not showing. Please fix up. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 04:26, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: There no edits by you showing in the recent page history. Did you 'save' the page correctly? Eagleash (talk) 04:34, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Found the template - all good now - thanks
I created the family tree here on Wikipedia for our article. It is NOT from a fan page. PBS challenged the template for verification and all names must have a reliable source. No, the character of Isobel is not Baroness Merton. She is simply the Lady Merton. It was the Downton Wiki that came up with that and is not in any part of the Downton Abbey series or the film. All of the series books (that mention this) and film companion book state clearly Lord and Lady Merton. I have reverted that...again as original research and fan cruft. Please see the Downton Abbey (film) talk page for the full explanation.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Here is the page. It's a template; Template:Downton Abbey family tree.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:12, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Spelling name error

In the entry for Performance Poetry Australia (Australian performance poetry) the name Grant Caldwell is wrongly listed as 'Grant Caldwll' i.e. "The 1980s saw a greater development in performed poetry, with more professional poets earning their living by poeting, Geoff Goodfellow joined Jenny Boult in South Australia, komninos, Myron Lysenko, Liz Hall, Billy Marshall Stoneking, Lauren Williams, Kerry Scuffins, Kerry Loughrey, Carmel Bird, in Melbourne, Grant Caldwll, Chris Mansell, Les Wicks and Steven Herrick in Sydney"

Also is there any simple way I can add a complete item for Grant Caldwell on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 2019-09-20T08:27:22 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to Wikipedia. For an uncontroversial correction like that, you can just go ahead and edit it: this is the encyclopaedia anyone can edit.
As for creating and article about Caldwell: anybody is welcome to add an article to the encyclopaedia, provided the subject is notable - which generally means that there is enough reliably published material about the subject, by people unconnected with the subject, to base an article on; but creating a new article is quite difficult, and I don't recommend if for new editors. I suggest you have a look at the "notability" page I linked to, and see if you can find enough published material about him to make an article possible (remember that nothing published by him, or by his associates, employers, or publishers, will count). If not, then it is not worth spending any more time on at present.
If you do find the material, you could make a request at requested articles (but the uptake is not good there); or you could try and interest somebody at WT:WikiProject Poetry or WT:WikiProject Australia in working with you. Or if you're feeling bold, you could read your first article, and try yourself (but if you're going to take that route, I advise you to create an account, and spend a few weeks improving existing articles first). --ColinFine (talk) 08:06, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi IP user, I have taken the liberty of adding a wikilink to Australian performance poetry in your post and correcting the typo in the article. TSventon (talk) 09:30, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Change Photo On Company Profile on Wiki

Dear all,

please advise how I can proceed with subject matter for Lebanese Air Transport.

With kind regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nadine Bolbol (talkcontribs) 08:12, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

First, please read WP:PAID and WP:COI. Secondly, I have updated the logo for you - I assume this is what you wanted. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 09:07, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The article is Lebanese Air Transport ~~ OxonAlex - talk 09:08, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Change the date of birth-Eric Martin

The Eric Martin page on Wikipedia says that he was born in 10/10/1960 while actually he was born in 10/10/1956. I don´t see the "edit source" link for editing the section where this mistake is located. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagomauro (talkcontribs) 12:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

What is the published reliable source to confirm the 1956 date? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Presumably this relates to Eric Martin (musician). His birth date is currently uncited as far as I can see, but I found this on allmusic confirming the date that's in the article. I don't know whether that counts as a WP:RS. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 13:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
The archived Geocities site also says 1960. This is not a reliable source either, but unless we get a better source, we can't make the change. Dbfirs 14:53, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I´ve seen his passport when he applied for a visa, but you can also check this website and you´ll see a bunch of names and d.o.b. Enter his name, Eric Lee Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagomauro (talkcontribs) 16:49, 20 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagomauro (talkcontribs) 16:49, 20 September 2019 (UTC) then scroll down and click Imprimir Estrangeiro. Check the downloaded file — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tagomauro (talkcontribs) 16:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

How to separate column entries from column entries inside wikicode of a wikitable?

If it is impossible, please note so. For example, take these wikitables, I want them to be combined horizontally, but see the problem below.

Set A
Person 1
Person 2
Person 3
Person 4
Person 5
Set B
Person 6
Person 7
Person 8
Person 9
Person 10

The problem is I want it to look like the following, but I want Persons 1-5, 6-10, etc. in the same area in the wikicode. Note that I have many more columns and rows in my real wikitable.

Set A Set B Set C ..
Person 1 Person 6 Person 11 ..
Person 2 Person 7 Person 12 ..
Person 3 Person 8 Person 13 ..
Person 4 Person 9 Person 14 ..
Person 5 Person 10 Person 15 ..
{| class="wikitable"
! Set A !! Set B !! Set C
| Person 1 || Person 6 || Jake the Baker ..
| Person 2 || Person 7 || Russ Megalodon Amora ..
| Person 3 || Person 8 || Short Name ..
| Person 4 || Person 9 || Long Nameeeeeee Hereeeeee Very Long ..
| Person 5 || Person 10 || Peter ..

The above table is the only way I see how to make the table, but I want Persons 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, etc. grouped together, and not Persons {1,6,11,..} , {2,7,12,..} , etc. grouped in the wikicode, since filling each person's name only makes sense vertically for me. And also note that each person name is of variable length, so it is not as tidy as the above table to visually see Persons 1-5, 6-10, etc.

If it is impossible to separate Persons 1-5 from Persons 6-10, etc. in the wikicode, please post that as the answer. WinterSpw (talk) 18:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@WinterSpw: I'm afraid I'm not following what you are asking. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "the same area of the wikicode." Can you put it in Excel the way you want it and upload a screenshot? TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Theoretically you can nest one table inside another table using syntax with <tr>, <td> tags. See Help:Table#Other_table_syntax. Ruslik_Zero 18:43, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: I mean something like the following pseudocode (note it is pseudocode), to separate column entries from column entries:
{| class="wikitable"
! Set A !! Set B !! Set C
| code saying first column has the following people
| Person 1
| Person 2
| Person 3
| Person 4
| Person 5
| code saying second column has the following people
| Person 6
| Person 7
| Person 8
| Person 9
| Person 10
| etc. hopefully this is more understandable what I want.
WinterSpw (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Like this, WinterSpw?
Set A Set B Set C

Person 1
Person 2
Person 3
Person 4
Person 5

Person 6
Person 7
Person 8
Person 9
Person 10

(See the source for how I did it) --ColinFine (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Ooh! This is a nice implementation, this might work. ColinFine But it doesn't have the line dividers for each row, so I guess I'll think about my wikitable some more. WinterSpw (talk) 01:46, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Adding photos

Hi, how do I add a photo to a current article. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by RossInnes (talkcontribs) 20:11, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@RossInnes: Please see WP:UPLOAD for a guide to adding images. Please free to come back here if you encounter difficulty. Eagleash (talk) 21:19, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

September 21

Making 4th tier headings more accessible...

Hi gals and guys.

In corneal transplantation, the subheadings Deep anterior lamellar keratoplasty and Endothelial keratoplasty are important headings. As it currently stands, they do not have a heading in the 'contents' box of the article. How do I give them one? Unfortunately, it is important to preserve the current hierarchy. ie, both of these headings do need to remain children of the lamella keratoplasty parent.

I'd appreciate your advice.


Vitreology talk 07:10, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

According to H:LIMITTOC it should have defaulted to showing all levels, but as it didn't I've added {{TOC limit|4}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:37, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
There was a {{TOC limit|3}} there already. I've removed both of them so that the default behaviour takes effect. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
John of Reading, David Biddulph, Thank you both
Vitreology talk 12:11, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Broken article Greta Thunberg

When i press the edit button on the Greta Thunberg article it changes from pending changes when i can request a edit but it needs to wait for approval to semi protected where I cannot request a edit and i saw a typo and was going to fix it but cannot fix it due to this bug not sure if it is supposed to be pending changes or semi protected but regardless it needs to be fixed

The article is semi protected - you have to use the talk page to request edits, using the Edit semi-protected template. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 10:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Although the log shows it was only moved up to semi protection this morning, so some sort of caching error could explain showing as pending changes, but this isn't my area of knowledge. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 10:33, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


Can somebody tag this page as spam please? This site won't let me do it myself. (talk) 11:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Nominated for speedy deletion. David J Johnson (talk) 11:46, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. (talk) 11:48, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Removing speedy deletion tag

I wonder if anyone could check Timeline of computing 2020–29 article which has any sufficient content and I nominated it for speedy deletion but the deletion tag was removed by user:Tracy Von Doom?Saff V. (talk) 11:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Huh, second time that von Doom lady has appeared in front of me (I saw them last night after we both edited 2019 Karbala bombing aswell). They have by their own claims had at least four accounts blocked for socking, but deny guilt. It's all a bit weird. (talk) 11:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Saket Modi

Hi there,

I recently noticed that Saket Modi's page has been redirected to Lucidius by Winged Blades of Godric stating WP:NOPAGE whom I tried to reach out at the talk page and left messages with no answer (Ref. 1). I think WP:NOPAGE does not apply here as the topic has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources and is suitable for a stand-along page per WP:SIGCOV

The topic has been covered by various leading publishers including The Economic Times, Business Standard, Businessworld, Mint (newspaper), Forbes India and clearly passes the WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG.

I will be so grateful if anyone could review Draft:Saket Modi again and help with this....thanks a ton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:643:1AAA:FD42:1F1:CB96:643E (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

How to keep text together

what is the syntax to prevent a string of characters being split by a new line? Newwhist (talk) 15:04, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

You can use {{Nowrap}}, following the instructions on the template page. Deor (talk) 15:09, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks - found it. Newwhist (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


I retired from Wikipedia years ago and was considering coming back, just to fix small issues like grammar & sentence clarity. Can one "un-retire"? Thanks.Special-T (talk) 19:01, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

@Special-T: Yes, you can: "Users who have retired may return at any point" (Wikipedia:Retiring) -- John of Reading (talk) 19:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
@Special-T: Certainly. Just removed the "retired" banner from your user page, and start editing. RudolfRed (talk) 19:06, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
With three unretires, you get a fourth one absolutely free (shipping and handling extra). Clarityfiend (talk) 18:47, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Getting rid of the column on the right-hand side

I'm using the timeless skin for wikipedia, and I know that there's a way to get rid of the column on the right hand side (the column that says things like the categories a page is in, "what links here", or "print" link), but what is it? Can someone tell me how to get rid of it? Thanks!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Aven13 (talkcontribs) 21 September 2019 20:26 (UTC)

@Aven13: You can simply make your browser window smaller. Unlike vector, timeless is a responsive skin, which means that The position of the elements will be changed depending on the available width. Yust try it out. Other ways would probably involve Javascript, because normal users css can't affect things outside of the portal frame, but I can't test this right now because I'm currently on mobile and aren't able to see what the exact style definitions in the skin are. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
@Aven13: Add the following: #mw-related-navigation{display: none;} to one of your CSS files e.g. timeless.css. Poveglia (talk) 13:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Editing in discussion with others

Hi, I was going back and forth with an editor to edit a page, and he hasn't come back to it.... What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewNueberger (talkcontribs) 20:40, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Your draft has been submitted. All you need to do now is wait patiently for review. In the meantime, that editor may give you further feedback.--Quisqualis (talk) 02:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

unknowns in table

If one wanted to add a column to this table using the visual editor, how does one get 'unknown'(s) to appear in the cells in the same format that appear elsewhere in that table? Copy and paste from cell to cell doesn’t seem to work. Humanengr (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Never mind — a balloon finally showed (though only briefly) saying this had to be edited in source mode. I'll handle it that way. Humanengr (talk) 04:59, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
@Humanengr: Unfortunately the Visual Editor is not yet able to handle many of the tasks the normal editor can. See Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Limitations for more info. Poveglia (talk) 19:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

September 22

New article is invisible to internet/Google searches, even after approval and categorization

I created Cannon Beach Christian Conference Center two weeks ago and it remains invisible to search engines. How do I fix this? It's easier to find the logo image than the article. Zero results and only bots viewing the page 1-2/day. Other articles I have created become visible and searchable almost immediately, so I must be doing something wrong. Rename the article? Thanks! Luke Kindred (talk) 00:41, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

@Luke Kindred: New articles are not indexed by search engines until they have been reviewed, or for 90 days, whichever is the shorter period. There are currently over 5,000 pages awaiting review. Please be patient. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:58, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I understand, respect the backlog. and have also tried to help (as much as I can under 500 edits). But seeing that another page I created less than two hours ago was already reviewed and now appears in search results I am starting to believe that the system is failing somehow or revealing some kind of bias against religious / Christian themed articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke Kindred (talkcontribs) 07:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Luke Kindred. Reviews are not done in chronological order. Reviewers are volunteers with some expertise in referencing and in WP:Notability. They review articles in any order, and thus, I suspect, there is a bias, but it is not against religion. The bias will be towards articles that have independent references in WP:Reliable sources. If most of the references are to the subject's own website or to brief mentions in "trade magazines" and local papers, then notability in the Wikipedia sense will be borderline, and reviewers might choose to review another article. The difficulty may be compounded by the fact that some of your references are unavailable on-line to some reviewers for legal reasons, There is no deadline in Wikipedia. While you are waiting for review, you are free to find and add better references. Dbfirs 07:41, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Léonce Ndikumana. Born: 1959

Leonce Ndikumana (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

My birth date on Wikipedia is incorrect. It should be 1959, not 1950.

The bio page should read:

Born: 1959 (age 60 years), Burundi— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:180:8200:5060:cd79:c077:93a6:11be (talkcontribs) 22 September 2019 03:12 (UTC)

Hello, I cannot see a DoB in the article? However, Google search results do show a DoB. Google draws information from many sources and often displays it in a way that implies it comes from Wikipedia. We have no control over what Google displays. There is a feedback link at the foot of the panel in the search results. For future reference, requests should be made at the article talk page. (Please sign your posts on talk pages by using four tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 05:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
If it is requested that a DoB be added to the page, it will require a reliable source. Eagleash (talk) 06:35, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
The WikiData page had 1950, referencing a a VIAF page. But I can't see any birth date on that page, so have removed the birth date from WikiData. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Thanks John, it completely 'slipped my mind' to look at Wikidata. Eagleash (talk) 10:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Anti-Japanese sentiment in Korea

Dear Sir and Madam,

I would like to tell you this article isn't correct.


I'll attach pictures why these sentences are wrong. Japanese government taught Korean language in the schools during war time. Here's textbooks what students used for back then.

Please remove these sentences if you see the truth and right organization. And, please do not accept pro-JP opinions. Most of them don't use any evidences such as I attached pictures.

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Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usagidot (talkcontribs) 09:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Usagidot. The place to discuss this is on the talk page Talk:Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_Korea. But I would caustion you that Wikipedia doesn't accept original research: to carry your argument you will need to find reliable secondary sources which put forward the argument you want to make. I also suspect that the images you have uploaded are copyright violations: the photos may be your own work, but the originals are surely not. --ColinFine (talk) 11:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
The penalty of death claim sounds extreme. It was added by an IP in 2007.[6] I have removed it [7] and restored "formally" about the language ban from an editor who has apparently read the source.[8] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:45, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Are Bible translations primary or secondary sources?

- are translations of the Bible considered primary or secondary sources? - I couldn't find anything in the guidelines - a new editor is claiming that Bible translations are peer-reviewed scholarly works and therefore reliable secondary published sources - Epinoia (talk) 17:39, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

They are primary sources. "Examples of primary sources include [...] religious scripture". Would recommend finding a quote from the scholarly sources cited to settle this. (Link to discussion in question)Thjarkur (talk) 18:41, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Adding a New Interview

Can this background interview by Mike Foldes, managing editor, please be added to References of Carol Smallwood entry? It provides information that volunteers have said was lacking so far; I was advised not to enter anything myself.

September-October 2019; Volume 15 Number 5

Carol Smallwood (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

No. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject says about herself, but instead it wants published reliable secondary sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 20:00, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Question about placing repetitive footnotes in a Wikitable

If I want to place a "footnote" at the bottom of a Wikitable, I use the following code within the Wikitable: for example, {{efn-ua|This is the text of the footnote. This footnote will appear at the bottom of the table.}}. Then, at the bottom of the Wikitable, I place the code that says: {{Notelist-ua}}. This will then "number" all of the footnotes (with letters, actually) as footnote A, B, C, D, E, F, etc. My question: what is the way to make several entries have the same exact footnote, without having to have that same exact footnote repeated several times? So, in the above example (footnotes A, B, C, D, E, and F) ... what if footnotes A, C, and E were the same exact footnote (and I did not want it to be repeated three times)? What I'd essentially have, then, is footnote A, B, A again, C, A again, and D. Is there a way to do this? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 20:53, 22 September 2019 (UTC)