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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
August 18
October 1 1 1
October 4 1
October 5 1 1
October 6 1
October 11 1
October 12 1 1
October 15 1
October 18 2 1
October 19 1
October 21 2
October 23 1 1
October 25 2
October 26 1
October 27 1
October 28 2 1
October 29 1 1
October 30 2 1
October 31 2 1
November 1 1 1
November 2 2 1
November 3 3 1
November 4 4 2
November 5 2 1
November 6 2 1
November 7 1 1
November 8 1 1
November 9 8 8
November 10 4 2
November 11 8 6
November 12 7 3
November 13 4 3
November 14 4 4
November 15 12 7
November 16 9 5
November 17 4 4
November 18 5 3
November 19 11 9
November 20 10 7
November 21 13 9
November 22 10 8
November 23 8 5
November 24 8 5
November 25 7 4
November 26 8 6
November 27 12 6
November 28 5 2
November 29 6 1
November 30 11 3
December 1 3
Total 217 128
Last updated 18:20, 1 December 2020 UTC
Current time is 18:22, 1 December 2020 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions

Backlogged?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

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Instructions for other editors

How to promote an accepted hook

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at
    • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on August 18

Articles created/expanded on October 4

Portrait of Sir David Webster

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Self-nominated at 13:37, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment For a variety of reasons, it would be better to rephrase as follows:

Johnbod (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Interesting painting and destiny, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. I prefer the ALT, but think a comma is missing after London, or we could drop London. I am not happy with piping the title of the painting, because the name of the person portrayed would at least connect the ROH to the painting for those who know. No hook reader will get to know about the lonesome tulips and the "icily arrogant" scene ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: Could a WP:FAIRUSE image of the portrait be added to the article? Ivar the Boneful (talk) 13:15, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
To the article yes, to the nomination no, if you have one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:01, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The image is already in Fair Use on the David Webster (opera manager) article, so it should be ok as Fair Use on this article - why it hasn't been added is unclear. I notice that there is no link back to this article from the David Webster article, and that neither article, not even this one which is actually about the painting, even once give the painting's official title.86.56.21.175 (talk) 14:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: This might be the wrong place to say this, but the title of the article should be changed to "Portrait of David Webster". The standard way of naming articles about paintings is to just title them with the name of the painting. In the David Hockney template at the bottom of the article, the title has actually been piped to "Portrait of David Webster", so you know that is what the article should be called, so why not just call it that? 86.56.34.181 (talk) 08:07, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I should have spotted that above. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
The official title, as given by Christies is "Portrait of Sir David Webster", so that's what the article should be called, and it should be linked in the Hockney template under that name. https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/david-hockney-b-1937-portrait-of-sir-6285715-details.aspx 94.139.29.156 (talk) 07:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I've moved it to its Christie's title...although Hockney signed it 'Sir David Webster with tulips'! There's a magnificent accompanying essay on Christie's which I shall expand the article from. Creating this article led me to start Nicholas Wilder, and I have two more Hockney articles in the pipeline! No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I will also add that as the auction at Christies is on 22 October (in 9 days time), wouldn't it be better to wait until after that, because this article and the hook will be out of date once the work has been sold and the sale price is known.94.139.29.156 (talk) 05:33, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
If we did wait, we could have ".. that the Royal Opera House, London said it had no alternative but to sell a painting by David Hockney for £XM to survive? Johnbod (talk) 15:31, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, something like that, but as it is the auction that determines the sale price, rather than the ROH deciding what the price will be, I wouldn't word it quite like that. Other things of hooky interest might result from the auction - it might not reach the reserve price or if the buyer's identity is made public, it might be someone interesting, etc. Because of Covid, auctions aren't being held in crowded rooms as they usually are, and the way the auction is held could give rise to interesting hooks e.g." ... a painting by David Hockney, sold to keep the Royal Opera House solvent during the Corona crisis, was auctioned before an [almost] empty room." 94.139.4.117 (talk) 05:44, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
I like the last idea! The ROH didn't specify a price. Now what about the article title? The painter should not be in it. We could change that now. For the hook, we can just wait for the reports about the auction. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I adjusted to Portrait of Sir David Webster in the hooks, - Mandarax, could you do your magic for the rest? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Done. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Sold for £12.8 million. No mention of purchaser, naturally. No Swan So Fine (talk) 11:05, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Sold for £12.8 million and only 8 bidders in the room - someone could perhaps use that info in a hook see https://www.theartnewspaper.com/news/christie-s-hockney-sale-roh . Christies obviously wouldn't name the buyer, but they might "out" themselves. I note that the title still hasn't been corrected in the Hockney template.94.139.7.255 (talk) 11:45, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Gerda Arendt, will you be returning to this review, or should we find someone new? It's been four weeks since the most recent comment. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:36, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
    I am waiting for a new hook proposal after the auction. Or was that empty roomexample a proposed hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt, No Swan So Fine, and Johnbod: I think this is a good one and is probably best if it gets sent to main page as soon as possible. Here is the ALT that was alluded to above and I believe can be approved fairly quickly: Footlessmouse (talk) 20:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes I thought that was acceptable to begin with! No Swan So Fine (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
(ec) Not convinced yet, because it sounds as if the auction prize had been mentioned in the condition to survive. Also: we don't need "London" for attractiveness, - there's a link. Please rephrase. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Try again, I like this one way more because the sale has passed and adding in something about Covid, which is already in the article, gives it context. I am not sure on the reliability of this source, I don't usually edit these types of articles. I am looking for others, but I personally think ALT4 works well. Footlessmouse (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
The reliability of the source? It was BBC News! No Swan So Fine (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Fine with me, but I'm not reviewing this. Johnbod (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Aw. I see what you mean, I like that hook. @No Swan So Fine: Any comments? Gerda was reviewing, I think there's still no conflict here since we ultimately just reworded the hooks that were given above. Thanks! Footlessmouse (talk) 21:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
It's hoplessly clunky. The orinignal hook was fine. Just take out the London bit. No Swan So Fine (talk) 23:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
No idea what you mean by "original" at this point. ALT2? I said why it's factually wrong, the ROH gave no specific price which would be enough to survive. I go to bed now, perhaps you can find some else to approve something. --

Articles created/expanded on October 6

Houkje Gerrits Bouma

Bouma (right) skating with ‘obscene’ bare arms
Bouma (right) skating with ‘obscene’ bare arms
  • ... that after Houkje Gerrits Bouma won one of the earliest women's speed skating competitions in 1809, women's speed races were not held because skating with bare arms was seen as obscene?
  • ALT1: ... that after Houkje Gerrits Bouma won one of the earliest women's speed skating competitions in 1809, women's competitions were not held anymore because skating with bare arms was seen as obscene? Source: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/SK-A-5020 “ Baur schilderde de finalisten met hun blote armen, een afgeworpen mantel op het ijs. De weinig verhullende kleding zorgde voor veel ophef en daarom was het voorlopig de laatste vrouwenwedstrijd.“ (in Dutch)

Created and moved from Draft space to main space by SportsOlympic (talk). Self-nominated at 17:46, 6 October 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough at 1,801 characters by my count. I'll AGF on the hook reference since I can't read Dutch-language sources, but a few problems prevent me from being able to approve the page for DYK at the moment. First, the article doesn't really support the hook fact. It says the bare arms "caused a commotion", but that just means it received attention. This doesn't back the claim that the act was thought to be obscene. Second, the last sentence is unsourced; a reference should be added to cover this part. Third, two of the four references include unreliable links. Ref 3 includes a Facebook summary, which as a Facebook page is not a reliable source. Print books are reliable sources, so I see no need to even include that link. Ref 4 is to WikiTree, which isn't reliable because it is user-edited like Wikipedia. The sourcing will have to be improved before this gets a check mark. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:15, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
    • CommentThanks! All have been solved. SportsOlympic (talk) 19:56, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Thanks for fixing those issues, but before this gets a tick mark, the reference formatting should probably be cleaned up. None of the web links has an access date, and the book in ref 4 needs a page number for verifiability. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The hook is also rather repetitively worded. Posting a reminder on the nominator's talk page to return to this ASAP. Yoninah (talk) 20:14, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • @SportsOlympic: Please see how I have restored the original thread and marked your revised hook as ALT1. It is not recommended to write over hooks on the template since then it is impossible for other editors and promoters to follow the discussion. Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Well, now you're writing a complete sentence, not a hook. There must be some way to cut this in half so it is "hooky", not informational. Yoninah (talk) 01:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Why wasn’t that mentioned as a first point, as that is important? But no problem is the hook will be changed. SportsOlympic (talk) 21:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 11

List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports, List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics

Created by Roller26 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC).

  • Before we go any further with this, please may I request that the word, "Indian", is included in all of these article page names? This is an international site, and I'm guessing that if you don't include "Indian", anyone reading any of those pagenames will at first think that it refers to their own country. You would need to ask an administrator to move the pages to new titles for you. Storye book (talk) 15:15, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Storye book, request you to go through Talk:National Sports Awards#Requested move 12 October 2020 as I believe the discussion there is relevant for what you are proposing. I am curious as to how someone randomly comes across such pages. The term "National Sports Awards" is only used by India and Bangladesh. The first line of all these pages plus the infobox (numerous times) makes it pretty evident that the award is given by Indian government. I believe the only way readers can come across these pages (other than the DYK listing) is though other Indian sports awards or their templates linking to them, or by direct search in WP or Google. Roller26 (talk) 06:55, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Roller26. I had not seen the discussion. I have struck out my comment above, so that it does not distract the DYK discussion. Storye book (talk) 08:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg @Roller26: I think there is a problem with this nomination in connection with supplementary rule A5 which states "New text seven days old or less can only count toward the 1500 character minimum in one article; if it is duplicated in other nominated new articles, it is ignored for the purpose of character count." So basically, most of the articles are too short. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Marking for closure since the nomination has gone stale, with no progress in over three weeks. Furthermore, seven QPQ credits are still outstanding and it has been over a month since the nomination was submitted. Flibirigit (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
  • I was on wiki-break for few days. Will work on the nominations and make it passable within the next few days. Roller26 (talk) 18:24, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg No progress has been made in the last week. If the nominator had provided more QPQ credits I could see extending the nomination. QPQ should be supplied within a week of the nomination. This nomination is now over five weeks old and QPQ requirements have not been met. It is time to close this and move on. Flibirigit (talk) 17:30, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
  • I have added 7 more QPQs meeting the entire QPQ requirements Roller26 (talk) 07:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg All ten nominated articles need a review now that QPQs have finally been supplied. Flibirigit (talk) 14:23, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Overall status
Number Article Review status QPQ supplied
1 List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports Symbol question.svg Edward G. Faile
2 List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics Symbol question.svg Eurasian wolf
3 List of National Sports Award recipients in hockey Symbol delete vote.svg Budots
4 List of National Sports Award recipients in wrestling Symbol delete vote.svg This Is My Story (memoir)
5 List of National Sports Award recipients in boxing Symbol delete vote.svg This I Remember
6 List of National Sports Award recipients in shooting Symbol delete vote.svg On My Own (memoir)
7 List of National Sports Award recipients in badminton Symbol delete vote.svg The Autobiography of Eleanor Roosevelt
8 List of National Sports Award recipients in non-Olympic sports Symbol delete vote.svg Meenakshi Pahuja
9 List of National Sports Award recipients in cricket Symbol possible vote.svg Florence Lewis (activist)
10 List of National Sports Award recipients in parasports Symbol delete vote.svg Eric Kimaiyo
List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports review

General eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg This review is for List of National Sports Award recipients in Olympic sports only. I am taking it that the first paragraph in the header of all of these articles is common to all, therefore we have to exclude that paragraph from readable text in assessment for DYK. This article has 1480 characters of readable text allowable for DYK assessment, so we need at least 20 more characters. Storye book (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

List of National Sports Award recipients in athletics review
Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is freely licensed. QPQ done. I'm only unsure how the hook is verified in this article; perhaps it isn't. Yoninah (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in hockey review
Symbol delete vote.svg The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:31, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in wrestling review
Symbol delete vote.svg The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in boxing review
Symbol delete vote.svg The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in shooting review
Symbol delete vote.svg The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in badminton review
Symbol delete vote.svg The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in non-Olympic sports review
Symbol delete vote.svg The text is so close and repetitive to the other articles that there is not 1500 characters of anything new. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in cricket review
Symbol possible vote.svg New enough. Since most of the lead text is repeated in the other articles, I'm only looking at the Recipients section and seeing only 1356 characters. Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I should also note that about 340 characters of text about Sachin Tendulkar has been copied from List of Arjuna Award recipients (1990–1999). Per Rule A5, this text needs to be expanded 5x in the current article, which would push the required length to at least 1700 characters of new text. Yoninah (talk) 11:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
List of National Sports Award recipients in parasports review

Sandister Tei

Sandister Tei
Sandister Tei
  • ... that Sandister Tei (pictured) was the first female Ghanaian Wikipedian to attend Wikimania? Source: "Sandister Tei of Ghana was one such attendees and the first female Ghanaian representative ever at a Wikimania conference." ([1])
  • ... ALT1: that Sandister Tei (pictured) was named the Wikimedian of the Year for 2020? Source: ([2])
  • Reviewed: John F. Yardley
  • Comment: I'm no good at hooks. Hopefully somebody else can suggest a better one.

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk), Ritchie333 (talk), Enock4seth (talk), and TJMSmith (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 16:55, 20 October 2020 (UTC).


  • While the hooks are probably interesting to Wikipedia users and enthusiasts, aren't both hooks rather WP:NAVELy? Maybe something could also be said about her non-Wikimedian career? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:33, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - ?
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Just three issues: (1) Earwig found one sentence about Tei's university studies here which mirrors a sentence in the article. However the sentence appeared first in the WP article, therefore the yen.com source has copied that phrase from WP. Other independent material appears on that yen.com page, though, so I believe that for the other material it is valid to use the source as a citation in the article. As the article was developed, WP and yen.com were reading each other. However, to keep everything clearly aboveboard, I suggest that the sentence in the WP article ("Tei is an alumna of the University of Ghana, where she studied geography, and of Cardiff University where she undertook an MA in international journalism on a Tullow Group scholarship.") is rephrased now. (2) I do not understand the phrase, "promoting an increase in coverage on African topics instead Wikimedia projects". Do you mean "coverage of" and "instead of"? But does that mean ditching Wikimedia projects? I'm guessing that the intention is probably fine, but the awkward language is concealing that intention. (3) About the hook and the comment about being navelly: it would be great to adjust one of the hooks to include the fact that she is a Citifilm journalist, and/or that she has been a journalist with Al Jazeera's parent company. If these three issues can be resolved, then this will be a good one for DYK in my opinion. Storye book (talk) 11:10, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Storye book: I have fixed the first two issues, the former by copyediting it, the latter by looking at the source and concluding the prose meant to say "promoting an increase in coverage on African topics on Wikimedia projects". I'll have a think about the hook, I just hoped somebody else would have turned up to the nomination now and suggested one, given the attention Wikimedians of the Year tend to get. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for resolving issues (1) and (2). I have amended the review accordingly. I look forward to seeing the new hook. Storye book (talk) 10:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
  • In the absence of other offers, I'm suggesting the following hook - but someone else will have to approve it and give the green tick to the nomination. You are welcome to tweak it if necessary. Storye book (talk) 12:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
  • ALT2: ... that

    Agelenopsis aperta

    • ... that the female Agelenopsis aperta spider enters a cataplectic state during mating, which means they lose control of their bodies and are unconscious? Experiments have shown that the cataplectic state is induced by pheromones from the males. Source: Noureddine, Maher; Singer, Fred; Morris, Anthony; Becker, Elizabeth; Riechert, Susan; Xu, Hongfa; Hale, Jeanette (2000). "ANALYSIS OF COURTSHIP SUCCESS IN THE FUNNEL-WEB SPIDER AGELENOPSIS APERTA". Behaviour. 137 (1): 93–117. doi:10.1163/156853900501890. ISSN 0005-7959.
      • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

    5x expanded by Mlschoening (talk). Self-nominated at 20:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC).

    • Comments by Tbhotch
    QPQ: Done.

    Overall: Symbol voting keep.svg QPQ unrequired (first DYK); Symbol voting keep.svg AGF on offline source citing the hook and the article; I assume that the phrase "Experiments have shown that the cataplectic state is induced by pheromones from the males" said in the hook here is not part of the hook per se. (CC) Tbhotch 21:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

    • @Tbhotch: This was nominated 16 days too late. SL93 (talk) 01:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
    @SL93: Ah yes, I saw it from here. @Mlschoening: 16px You had to nominated during that week. (CC) Tbhotch 01:22, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
    However, on second thought Symbol possible vote.svg as the article is currently reviewed at GAN. So, if approved, it can go, But may that require a new nomination? (CC) Tbhotch 01:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
    As long as this template is open, the nomination can proceed with a GA. But how long will we have to wait? Yoninah (talk) 23:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
    Yoninah, the initial review was completed on 22 November, and is awaiting Mlschoening to address the issues raised. It's hard to predict how long the next steps will take, but with any luck it won't be overlong. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:10, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
    Checking further, it appears that Mlschoening worked on this article (and nominated it at GA) as part of a course that ends in mid-December. Pinging Ian (Wiki Ed), who is listed as a resource for that class, in the hopes that the GA nomination will be responded to by the student. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:15, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

    Historical policy of the Law and Justice party

    • ... that the historical policy of the Polish ruling party has been described as "a pumped-up martyr complex focused on conspiracy theories"? Source: "Poland has always been invested in the idea that its role and suffering in world history has been underestimated, and PiS’s version of that history — a pumped-up martyr complex focused on conspiracy theories — has found an audience." https://www.calvertjournal.com/articles/show/8066/curating-a-nation-controversy-gdansk-ww2-museum
      • ALT1:... that the 1941 Jedwabne pogrom, in which hundreds of Jews were murdered by Poles, is viewed by the Polish ruling party as an attack on Polishness and Polish identity? Source: "According to the politicians, historians, and journalists representing PiS’s ideological position, Jedwabne and other events that cast a negative light on Polish national identity must be revisited and retold for both Poles and the West. In their eyes, Jedwabne is a key sign of ‘all the lies voiced against the Polish nation,’ and is understood as the ‘central attack’ on Polishness, Polish values and traditions, and Polish identity (understood in an ethnic sense)" 10.1080/23256249.2017.1376793

    Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 00:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC).

    • Not yet. Needs work. At the moment it looks like WP:SYNTH. From the article it is unclear that the "historical policy" does officially exist (it does), rather than a collection of factoids that demonstrate a biased presentation of country's history, not uncommon in many countries. For example I would love to see an article about revisionism, often really idiotic, of the History of Ukraine since 2010s. Staszek Lem (talk) 05:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
    • It could use improvement but it is a valid topic and meets DYK requirements. Żuk's, Hackmann's, and Michlic's articles, published in academic journals, unambiguously state that the historical policy exists. Please feel free to expand or improve the article; I don't own it. (t · c) buidhe 05:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Żuk's unambiguously state that the historical policy exists --The article also says "Polish Law and Justice party has developed a "historical policy". -- If it exists, the article must show how it is stated by the Party as a party policy, otherwise this is dismissible as an opinionated cherry-picked bullshit by the liberals and enemies of the Polish state. Staszek Lem (talk) 10:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
        • Zuk quotes from the PiS party programs, for instance:

          The lack of any coherent “textbook” policy prevents the formation of a common consciousness of students and, at the same time, leads to the transmission of scandalous content, for example, communist crimes and the scale of German crimes in World War II are relativized. These measures use education to deconstruct our identity. […] The attack on tradition and the associated national consciousness is ostentatious in the cultural sphere. The preference for creativity that is detrimental to Polish values is clear. Leftist periodicals are supported; various types of state-funded cultural transmission attack patriotism and national values.

          Hackmann states:

          Since 2015, the right-wing Polish government has attempted to closely control those institutions that are regarded as crucial for shaping the national remembrance in order to implement a mnemonic policy with the aim of promoting patriotism and defending a positive image of the ethno-linguistically defined Polish nation abroad.

          (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

    Symbol question.svg My review: date, size, refs, are good. Notability and neutrality - likely ok, but this is a touchy topic and I am not sure if the ALT1 about Jedwabne is neutral. Anyway, a techical issue - this needs to have lead cut to size (I don't suggest removing content, just moving it to the article's main body). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

    "Jedwabne Pogrom... is viewed as an attack on Polishness" -- the author really has problems with logic. I hate editing political articles, but I have to note that the colleague seems to raise his struggle with Polish neoconservatism in Wikipedia to nonencyclopedic levels. Staszek Lem (talk) 10:21, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
    The author is stating that the conclusion that Poles were responsible for Jedwabne is an attack on Polishness, at least according to PiS. These historical facts are inconvenient, hence the claim (not supported by the available evidence) that Poles were not responsible... (t · c) buidhe 16:46, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
    I know well what was and is with Jedwabne. I am saying that logic in your writing sucks, and you still do not see this. Please somebody else explain them or somebody explain me how a pogrom may be seen as an attack on Polishness. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:11, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

    Also, I am afraid the article is not stable. Both me and Staszek raised neutrality concerns, that Buidhe has promptly reverted: [3], [4]. There is ongoing discussion on talk. Setting aside a quickly decline AfD by a user blocked as sock, I am increasingly convinced this likely fails the stability and neutrality criteria for the main page. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

    • The neutrality concerns were all about one sentence, which I supported with a quote on talk page. I am always ready to consider if another wording may be best, but it is not appropriate to tag an entire article for neutrality based on one sentence. Also, Piotrus used failed verification tags without actually trying to verify the content in the cited source. Since the article was just created it has undergone edits in the last few days but not beyond what is expected for a dyk article. (t · c) buidhe 16:03, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

    Symbol delete vote.svg The article seems to be based on politically engaged polemics that are blatantly false in certain parts. For example the statement: According to this narrative, Poles were exclusively victims and heroes during World War II and the Communist era is absurd as PiS is waging at least two campaigns to shame and deprive of memory any Pole who in their view "collaborated with Communism" [5]Kiszczak i Jaruzelski to byli zdrajcy narodu:Kiszczack and Jaruzelski were traitors to the nation or wszyscy komunistyczni kolaboranci, którzy uczestniczyli w prześladowaniach Polaków i sprawowali władzę w imieniu Moskwy, powinni być przeniesieni z cmentarzy, które dzisiaj są narodowymi nekropoliami all communist collaborators who took part in repressions against Poles and waged power in the name of Moscow should be removed from cemeteries that are today national necropolises. So yeah, the claim that PiS sees Poles only as heroes is easily verified as false.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

    • I don't think this is an accurate representation. As the statement you quote indicates, any Poles who do not behave the way they are supposed to are not "real Poles". This division has been noticed in research:

    Epithets which divided Poles in two groups and indicated on bad intentions of political opponents became a part of newspeak of Polish rightist spectrum. Here it is possible to identify a division into “real Poles” with reference to followers of “right”and “false” Poles with reference to the rest as well as [insults such as] “lemmings” with reference to voters of PO and left wing,“communists”, “thieves” etc. [and suggesting that not only Donald Tusk but entire population groups such as Kashubians or Silesians are German]

    — Modrzejewsk, Arkadiusz (2017). "Catholic and Nationalist Populism in the Current Poland". Perspective politice. Scoala Nationala de Studii Politice si Administrative. ISSN 1841-6098.
    • Hence why, as Sadurski put it, "the [2018] law clearly resonates with a nationalistic government rhetoric, under which Polish history is comprised exclusively of heroic acts and undeserved victimhood, and never of criminal deeds." If they're responsible for "criminal deeds" one can conclude that they are not really a Pole but a communist puppet, etc. Hackmann notes that in the Ulma museum, "the policeman who presumably gave the hint to the hidden Jews, is questioned to be a Pole, because he was Greek Catholic".
    • You state that these peer reviewed papers are all "politically engaged polemics" but they are actually research papers published in respected journals such as Journal of Genocide Research and Dapim: Studies on the Holocaust. I think that the editorial boards of these journals should count for more than one wikieditor's opinion. (t · c) buidhe 21:12, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
    If they're responsible for "criminal deeds" one can conclude that they are not really a Pole but a communist puppet Please read on WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. You are wandering of to creating your own personal theories. Wikipedia is not the place for this.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
    The sentence you are complaining about has been rewritten. Are there any further complaints based on concrete issues, or is this a case of IDONTLIKEIT? (t · c) buidhe 22:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

    The article is fine. All I see is people who ignore reliable sources, and want to push content from PiS's website onto Wikipedia. I opened a RfC to settle it: Talk:Historical policy of the Law and Justice party#Request for comment: PiS program from its website as first section. Kasha lover (talk) 05:41, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

    An obvious sockpuppet. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:16, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
    • Any updates on this? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:31, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
    • Living Books

      5x expanded by Coin945 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC).

      • Can we move the "Games in the series" bit down? Seems odd having it as the first thing in the prose (also, are these games, or books?) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Moved the table down to the bottom of the page, changed title to 'Titles in the Series', and reworded first two columns to clearly differentiate source material vs Living Books programs.--Coin945 (talk) 09:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      • long enough, expansion in time Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Copyvio brings up this, might need an investigation? The block quote in particular is too much. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      • I've now reviewed the probematic sources and reworded all appropriate sections. The copyvio ranking for the top two sources are still 59.9% and 43.2% but basically all of this is names of books and titles of relevant officials (e.g. "Alberto Vitale, head of Random House Publishing" which need to be copied verbatim). I hope this will suffice.--Coin945 (talk) 11:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      After a major edit I'm now up to 61.3% for the top source. Let me have another crack at this once I've had some sleep.--Coin945 (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
      Upon investigation, I don't think I've really used too much from those top-listed sources in the copyvio ranking due to the reasons listed above. I'll do another pass soon, and would welcome your opinion.--Coin945 (talk) 17:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Issues with the hooks, these are more just facts about the subject, rather than a hook. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      • A hook involving The LA Times criticized Disney for contracting their games to independent studios, deeming the series a "mere imitation of Broderbund's Living Books format. might be good, something describing it as a "mere imitation" is quite hooky for a completely different series. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Coin945, Lee Vilenski, this nomination page hasn't been edited since late October, over three weeks ago. What is the status of this nomination? BlueMoonset (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Hi @BlueMoonset:, I'm still keen to see this nom through to the end. I haven't heard back from Lee in a while, hope their doing okay! I'm happy for you BlueMoonset to offer a DYK review. :)--Coin945 (talk) 06:46, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Apologies for this, I'd forgotten about this nom - happy to support. Symbol confirmed.svg Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 10:47, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Symbol question.svg Lee Vilenski, I don't see any QPQ provided, and Coin945 has far more than five prior DYK credits. Coin945, you will need to get moving on your DYK review if you wish this to pass. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:34, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

      References

      1. ^ Writer, Julia Angwin, Chronicle Staff (1997-01-18). "Broderbund Regains Stake In Living Books". SFGATE. Retrieved 2020-10-22.
      2. ^ "Company History". wanderfulstorybooks.com. Retrieved 2020-10-21.
      3. ^ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-01-31-fi-30595-story.html

      Chisapani Gadhi

      • ... that females are not allowed to go inside the Chisapani Gadhi, Nepal? Source: [6] "We were baffled as the caretaker informed us that women were barred from entry here"

      Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 18:38, 21 October 2020 (UTC).

      • Article is new enough and long enough. AGFing on the various Nepali sources. I am bothered by the similarity between The fort, which is spread on four bighas of land, was constructed in 1801BS during the rule of the Sen king in Makwanpur. The fort was used for military, administrative, trade and immigration purposes after the annexation of Makwanpur to Nepal in 1819 BS. Historians said there was a court, a check post and an office of Badahakim, a post equivalent to the governor of the region, on the premises of the fort. in the source and The Chisapani Gadhi is an ancient fort in Bhimphedi that was built during the unification of Nepal around the Sen rule in Makwanpur.[1] After it was annexed to the Kingdom of Nepal, it was used for military, administrative, trade and immigration.[1] Some historians say that in the fort there was a "court, a check post and an office of Badahakim, a post equivalent to the governor of the region".[1] , even with the quote it comes off like close paraphrasing. The grammar is also a little off - "military, administrative, trade and immigration", " and she added that local resident created a rumour that she died." and "Gadhi was being renovation and conservation" are just examples. Why is the funding provided by the provincial government not included? I am not sure that #2 mentions the fort in the context given. The image is properly licenced but it appears to be located in a different fort than the article claims. QPQ is low-hanging fruit, but passable. Hook is interesting and sourced inline, but the article has too many issues for me to feel comfortable approving it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Some grammar fixes are still needed. Also, I've asked for a Nepali reader to check the sources at WT:DYK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Nepali: "चिसापानी गढीको कारणले नै युद्ध गर्न आएका अङ्ग्रेजहरु यस क्षेत्रमा आउन नसकेर सिमभन्ज्याङतर्फ मोडिन बाध्य भएको इतिहास रहेको छ" Source
      • English: The Britsh came to attack the Chisapani Gadhi but they could not so they went to Sim Bhanjyang instead.
      • Nepali: "कर्नेल रणवीरसिंह थापा मुख्य कमान्डर । कोशी नदी पश्चिम र नारायणी नदी पूर्वको सेक्टर कमान्डर थिए । उनले सुमेश्वर गढी, उपरदाङ गढी, कविलास गढी, कान्द्राङ गढी, चिसापानी गढी, मकवानपुर किल्ला, ढुंगे गढी, डढुवा गढी, हरिहरपुर गढी, अम्वास गढी, हरिहरपुर किल्ला, सिन्धुली गढी, उदयपुर गढी, चौदण्डी गढी लगायत सेना तैनाथी गराए" Source
      • English: Ranabir Singh Thapa was in charge of the west and east of Narayani River. He deployed soldiers in .....(the source talks about others forts he had put forces in)........ Chisapani Gadhi.
      • Nepali: "चिसापानीमा बटुक भैरवको मन्दिर छ, जहाँ महिलालाई प्रवेश निषेध छ" Source
      • English: There is a temple where females are not allowed.
      • Nepali: "यस विषयमा बेलाबेला महिला अधिकारवादीले आवाज उठाई रहेका पनि छन्" Source
      • English: In the past, females have protested against the "no females allowed" rule.
      • Nepali: "मन्दिरमा प्रवेश गरे अनिष्ट हुने र ज्यान नै जान सक्ने मनोवैज्ञानिक त्रास फैलाइएको छ । तोप पड्काउँदाको आवाजले महिलाको गर्भ खेर गएकाले जान हुँदैन भन्ने मान्यता रहेको स्थानीयहरू बताउँछन्" source
      • English: If a female goes inside they will become unlucky or die. Some people say the when the big cannon was fired the noise that came from it caused some miscarriages.
      • Nepali: "२०६० मंसीरमा पहिलो पटक त्यहाँ पुगेकी हुँ। पत्रकारिता तालिमको सहभागी भएर स्थलगत भ्रमणमा गढी जाँदा महिलाले तोप हेर्न नहुने र मन्दिर पनि जान नहुने भनेर लेखिएको सूचना देखेपछि छक्क परें । साथीहरू र तालिमका प्रशिक्षकले नजानू भने पनि पसें । मेरो घर हेटौंडा भएकाले त्यो बाटो परेका वेला र त्यसपछि पनि पटक पटक मन्दिर पसेकी छु "। source
      • English: I went there in 2060 N.S.. I was surprised by the sign which read no females allowed. My friends told me not to go but I went anyway. I live in Hetuda so I have travelled this road many times and visited the temple.
      • Nepali: "मलाई आजसम्म कुनै अनिष्ट भएको छैन, तर चिसापानीतिर मेरो बारे ४/५ वर्षअघिसम्म अफवाह चलेको रहेछ । चिसापानी गढी नजिकैको होटलतिर ‘१५/१६ वर्षअघि पत्रकारको टोलीमा आएकी एउटी केटी मन्दिरभित्र पसेकी थिई, पछि मरिछ’ भन्दा रहेछन् । मान्छे मरेको कुरा पनि केही आधार नभई गर्दा रहेछन् भन्ने प्रमाण हो यो" source
      • English: I am not dead as of now. The people in Chisapani told others about my death (about four or five years ago). ......................
      • So what happened to the DYKAGF rule. Anyway, I translated the whole article for you. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 13:22, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Sorry, but when close paraphrasing is involved then I look a bit more closely than DYKAGF would warrant. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Notes:
        1. #3:
          • Article: "During the Anglo-Nepalese War, commander Ranabir Singh Thapa deployed many soldiers inside the fort."
            • Source: "Colonel Ranabir Singh Thapa [was] chief Commander. He was the sector commander between Koshi and Narayani rivers. He deployed his troops to Sumeshwar Gadhi, Upardang Gadhi, ..., Chisapani Gadhi, ..."
        2. #4:
          • Article: "But the forces did not directly face the East India Company. Thapa at the Makwanpur Gadhi stopped the British troops from getting into the fort subsequently they went to attack the Sim Bhanjyang, Nepal."
            • Source: "There is a history that the English who had come to fight could not come to this region because of Chisapani fort and were forced to divert toward Simbhanjyang." Note that, along with this one, the article cites another source that's not in Nepali for the same text.
          • Article: "The fort also contains a Bhariva Temple."
            • Source: "The Batuk Bhairava temple, which is also in this area, also has a long history."
        3. #6:
          • Article: "Females are not allowed to go inside the fort."
            • Source: "There is a Batuk Bhairava temple in Chisapani; women are prohibited from entering the temple."
        4. #7 (Note that this website lists a three member team[7]; they appear to be locals)
          • Article: "Females are not allowed to go inside the fort." " Many women have protested against this in the past."
            • Source: "...and women are prohibited from entering the fort." "Women rights activists have raised their voice on this subject from time to time."
        5. #8 (#9 is also the same source, so I'll cover both here)
          • Article: "There is a myth circulating that if a woman enters they might die or become unlucky. Some local residents say that the sound of the big cannon firing caused miscarriages. Journalist Durga Lamichhane went inside the fort and the temple many times; she reported that she did not have any miscarriages, and Lamichhane said that the local residents created a rumour that she had died."
            • Source: "Psychological fear has been spread that entering the temple could bring anishta, even death.(I can't think of a good translation for "anishta"; it's somewhere among "bad omen", "bad luck", "disaster", "tragedy"; google translate identifies the word as Bengali and translates it as "evil" among other things) But many women have entered there multiple times. According to locals, there is a belief that [women] should not go there because the sound of the cannon firing caused miscarriages in women." "Durga Lamichhane: I have been to Chisapani Gadhi and the Batuk Bhairava temple in its premises four times... I have never faced any anishta to this day, but, I found out that there were false rumours about me circulating around Chisapani until 4-5 years ago. In roadside restaurants near Chisapani they used to say, "15-16 years ago, a girl from a team of journalists had entered the temple, she died later.""
      I hope this is enough. I would gladly assist with copyediting also, if that would be desirable. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:59, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
      Thanks. That said, Symbol redirect vote 4.svg as it looks like the source interpretation is a wee bit liberal - "Women rights activists have raised their voice on this subject from time to time" does not automatically equal "many" nor "protested against"; I've certainly seen feminists defending the burqa so I would not categorically assume that in such cases it's "protested against". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
      In context, it does mean "protested against" though it's an intellectual protest not a physical one ("spoken out against" may be better), but yes, "many women" should be "women rights activists". Another thing I noticed was the claim "she reported that she did not have any miscarriages"; I don't remember seeing that in the source. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 01:26, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
      @Jo-Jo Eumerus: @Usedtobecool: Where does this nomination stand? Maybe it should be failed. SL93 (talk) 08:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
      It needs a new review; I am a bit too uneasy with the source interpretation and am not familiar enouh with the culture to evaluate it.

      Articles created/expanded on October 25

      1907 Skowhegan textile strike

      Created by Namiba (talk). Self-nominated at 14:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC).

      • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough. The passage "an increase in wages, the dismissal of an overseer they accused of sexual harassment, the abolition of fines for workers, and workers’ representation on an arbitration committee" appears twice in the prose. In the second instance, it's not given as a direct quote and that's therefore a copy-violation; this needs fixing. Earwig's Copyvio Detector is otherwise happy. Namiba has 11 DYKs to their credit (according to DYK notices, or 24 DYKs according to their user page) and a QPQ is therefore required but missing as yet. Both hooks check out. I find the original hook (ALT0) more interesting. Schwede66 19:22, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
      I've removed the repeated text and added a bit of context regarding the politics of the IWW. As for how many DYK's I've contributed to, I think the correct number is actually 28, but I haven't written any since 2011 so it's impossible to recall.--User:Namiba 19:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
      I see. A new rule since then is that you have to review another DYK as part of nominating your own; that's what "QPQ" (quid pro quo) refers to. Schwede66 19:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
      • Namiba, do you plan on continuing with this nomination? It's been over three weeks since the above exchange. There are resources available on conducting a DYK review, if you need assistance; most of them are available as links in the box at the top of this page when you're in the editor. Please let us know your plans. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:52, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Symbol delete vote.svg The nominator does not appear to be editing since that last post. Marking for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 20:43, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
      My apologies, I forgot to respond here. I do plan to continue with the nomination. I will complete a DYK review over the weekend.--User:Namiba 12:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
      • Symbol question.svg Superseding prior icon with this one pending the promised QPQ review. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

      Illinois Confederation

      • ... that the Illinois Confederation, although composed of 12–13 tribes, was not by textbook definition an actual confederation?
        • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

      Created/expanded by Gloriasiyoungkoo (talk). Self-nominated at 00:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC).

      Policy compliance:

      Hook eligibility:

      • Cited: ????
      • Interesting: Red XN - Needs a more engaging hook

      QPQ: ????
      Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg (t · c) buidhe 10:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

      • Air pollution in Turkey

        • Comment: I think I still have one free nomination left but if not please let me know so I can do a review

        Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC).

        Hook eligibility:

        • Cited: Red XN - See below
        • Interesting: ????
        • Other problems: Red XN - Both hooks are kind of speculative. Could you write another one that focuses on concrete verifiable facts that are true today? Also, the source you quote does not support "that the right to clean air was recognised in the 6th century", and the link is misleading.
        QPQ: None required.

        Overall: Symbol question.svg (t · c) buidhe 02:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

        I think it would be nice to have something to cheer people up rather than something depressing like:
        • ALT2:... that 30,000 people die each year from air pollution in Turkey? Source: According to dust and sea-salt removed satellite-derived PM2.5, mortality ... of 36967 in Turkey .... estimated by all causes. ... 40583 in Turkey .... using ground PM2.5 observations for provinces with monitoring stations. [11]

        (lowest estimate is 29 thousand in another source)

        so how about:

        • ALT3:... that TOGG plan to drive away air pollution in Turkey?Source: Speaking about the environmentally friendly specification of the models, Karakas said: “(TOGG cars) are one-ninth of the legal (emissions) limit in Turkey, one-seventh of the legal limit in Europe and it is the cleanest in Europe." [12]

        I know the cars are not yet in production but as the country has so much carmaking experience already and the factory is already being built I am sure they will be in a couple of years. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

        • ALT2 could work, but I don't think ALT3 does because readers are unlikely to know what TOGG is and "drive away air pollution" is too vague, not to mention not supported by the source you cited. Or even better: (t · c) buidhe 07:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

        Oh no - ALT4 is true but even more depressing. Can't we have something more cheerful? You are right that readers are unlikely to know TOGG, but perhaps that does not matter, and it might intrigue them. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

        BuidheI think ALT3 is fine - can you reconsider? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:19, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

        • I don't think ALT3 is suitable, it's not going to be understood by the average mainpage viewer. Sorry. (t · c) buidhe 06:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
        • ALT5: ... that with 25 million vehicles traversing its roads, vehicle density has been cited as the main factor affecting air pollution in Turkey?

        Yoninah (talk) 17:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

        OK thanks Yoninah Buidhe ALT5 sounds fine Chidgk1 (talk) 09:12, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
        Meh, I don't think that's all that interesting. Turkey is a big country 25 million vehicles is not that many and auto emissions are the main cause of air pollution in many countries. (t · c) buidhe 07:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
        • ALT6: ... that part of the solution to air pollution in Turkey could be electric ferries across the Bosphoros? Source: "electric propulsion systems are viable for ferry routes with a high number of trips. For these ferries, the savings in operating costs become so large that they can cover the investment costs – and even exceed them" [15]

        Yoninah ALT6 is both interesting and might cheer people up. I know Buidhe said it is speculative, but although I am sure it will come one day I am not saying that. The sentence shows it is a proposal.Chidgk1 (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

        It's good. @Buidhe:? Yoninah (talk) 14:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
        • Die Schutzbefohlenen

          Scene at the Burgtheater, 2015
          Scene at the Burgtheater, 2015
          • ... that Die Schutzbefohlenen (Charges or The Supplicants), a 2013 text by Elfriede Jelinek dealing critically with refugee politics at the time, was staged in Vienna in 2015 (scene pictured)? Source: several
          • Reviewed: to come
          • Comment: I'm sorry, I am late again, and this time I simply forgot to nominate, - it was long and sourced enough from the beginning - I think.

          Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC).

          • General eligibility:

          Hook eligibility:

          • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
          • Interesting: Red XN - Mmm, I think the article has potential but the hook could be better. First, "dealing critically with" is vague. Maybe something about asking the question whether EU policies are in line with values? Consider that most readers are probably not from EU, might not remember about the 2015 refugee crisis.

          QPQ: Red XN - TBD
          Overall: Symbol question.svg I am happy to ignore 1 day late because you are such a nice editor (: (t · c) buidhe 10:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

          Thank you for review and lenience - please remember that this was 2013, not 2016 when it got hotter. I am often told that catching attraction is more important than precision in a hook, - not that I agree. - Agree that the article could be better, there's MUCH more in German, if someone is inclined and has the time. - Will look here again later. (Someone died who has no article, and I had an article plan for today.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
          ps: what's the expression for values we took from the ancient Greeks? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
          I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Clerodendrum quadriloculare. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
          Buidhe, I reworded the value thing, please check.
          ALT1: ... that Die Schutzbefohlenen (Charges or The Supplicants), a 2013 text by Elfriede Jelinek critical of refugee politics at the time, was staged in Vienna in 2015 (scene pictured)?
          I'd hesitate to restrict it to the EU, for a global audience. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
          OK, but this is really vague. Critical of which refugee politics, and how? I mean, neo-Nazis were also "critical of refugee politics at the time", from the other direction. (t · c) buidhe 20:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Gerda, can we finish this up please? Yoninah (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
            Do you have an idea? I'm reviewing (Buidhe's) at the moment, then will turn to the musicologist who died. We can't retell the play in on sentence, but also can't say nothing about it. Help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

          Articles created/expanded on October 28

          Articles created/expanded on October 30

          Mitchell Miller (ice hockey)

          Moved to mainspace by Bait30 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:15, 30 October 2020 (UTC).

          • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough. And the hook is technically accurate. However, I have two significant concerns here. First, the hook misleadingly suggests he was a top pick in the NHL draft when, in fact, he chosen in the fourth round with the 111th pick (Arizona traded or forfeited its picks in the first three rounds). Second, the article concerns an amateur athlete who has received significant coverage principally for his conviction in a juvenile court of bullying a developmentally disabled teen. This raises a significant WP:BLP1E concerns. Cbl62 (talk) 20:12, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
          The publicity given to the incident is particularly troubling given that Ohio juvenile court records and proceedings are designated confidential by law. See here, page 11 ("Most court and police records about your juvenile case in Ohio are confidential and not available to the public, which means that people cannot find information about your juvenile record the same way they can look up information about an adult criminal record."). Several media outlets ignored this policy, but I do not think Wikipedia should be exacerbating the situation on its most viewed page. Cbl62 (talk) 20:32, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
          I personally don't think BLP1E applies because he received coverage from reliable sources for hockey-related stuff before his controversy was exposed. However, I do understand not wanting to put it on the front page due to the weight of the bullying incident in the article.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:17, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
          Understood. It would be helpful to get input from DYK gurus before making a final call on this one. @Gatoclass: @Yoninah: @Cwmhiraeth: @Maile66: Could one or more of you weigh in on the appropriateness of featuring this on the Main Page? Cbl62 (talk) 21:52, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
          Symbol possible vote.svg The hook focuses on negative aspects of a person's life. If there is nothing nice to say, it should not be included in DYK. Flibirigit (talk) 03:51, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
          • @Flibirigit: @Cbl62: Would this work?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 22:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Symbol question.svg Thanks for coming up with a different hook. Alt1 is short enough, interesting enough, accurate, and backed by in-line citation. However, in running an earwig copyvio test on the article, an issue was detected that can be seen here. In particular, there is an extended quote from Coyotes General Manager Bill Armstrong that is drawn directly from an Azcentral piece. You will need to fix this before the article can appear on the Main Page. Cbl62 (talk) 22:18, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Symbol confirmed.svg Alt 1 good to go. Cbl62 (talk) 01:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but while the all-USHL selection is mentioned and cited, there is no cite for the 33 points as a defenseman. Yoninah (talk) 13:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
          @Yoninah: Done.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 19:15, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
          The "Career statistics" section needs a citation for the chart. I suggest using hockeydb.com or eliteprospects.com for this. Cheers. Flibirigit (talk) 19:28, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Thanks. Pinging @Bait30: for the cite for the chart. Yoninah (talk) 19:29, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
          • The chart is now sourced. Flibirigit (talk) 19:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you both. Restoring tick per Cbl62's review. Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

          Symbol possible vote.svg Per this discussion at WP:ERRORS, this hook was pulled from the main page. A more suitable hook is required for this article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 00:32, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

          • This is absolutely ridiculous. Here are some suggestions:
          I made sure to link "general manager" because it's usage in sports is mainly confined to the US and Canada and I don't want English speakers to be confused with my usage of American. I found out just how different American is from English, so I made sure to add an excess amount of context. That way, an actual English speaker could come by and hopefully whittle it down and translate it into proper English.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 03:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
          ALT2 is far too long (above the 200 character limit). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:38, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
          • @Narutolovehinata5: I think the nominator is making a point. Just strike it and help approve this please. Yoninah (talk) 20:55, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Yeah, I was being extra WP:POINT-y last night and I’m sorry about that. I won’t be able to make proper adjustments right now as I’m not at my laptop. I’ll try shorten the hooks later.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
          I've struck ALT2 but the possibility of a shorter hook based on that remains. As for ALT3, the words "hockey" and "league" are used multiple times in the hook, although in the case of "ice hockey" it may be unavoidable since the consensus was to specify that the hockey in question is of the ice variety. "League" is used three times and at least one of them probably needs to go to avoid redundancy. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:58, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
          Yeah, that’s one of the reasons I disagreed and overreacted. Here’s a new alt:
          ALT4: ... that league executives voted ice hockey player Mitchell Miller as one of the best blueliners in the United States Hockey League?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 01:14, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

          @Narutolovehinata5: Are you going to review this hook, or should I put the red DYK?again icon and request a new review?  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 18:57, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

          Probably need a new review, I was just helping out here with the "new hook needed" discussion. Pinging Cbl62 and Flibirigit for their thoughts on the new hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
          Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review is needed here. Flibirigit (talk) 00:09, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
          • I think the new hook (alt4) is fine. It's short, hooky (the "blueliner" bit is good as non-hockey fans may be intrigued by what that is), and accurate. The only hesitation I have is that the article/source don't literally say he was "selected as one of the best defencmen/blueliners". Instead, they say he was selected to the All-USHL team. Most anyone familiar with team sports knows that those two things are the same, i.e., that all-conference honors means a player is being selected as one of the best in the league at his position. All in all, I think it's an accurate hook. Cbl62 (talk) 00:37, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Cbl62, I thought so too, but the people in the discussion Lee linked above thought it was complete gibberish and unworthy of the front page. Someone told me that “this is English Wikipedia, not American Wikipedia”.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 01:41, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
          • Friendly suggestions: The article needs an "Early life" section directly after the introduction. It should include where and when Miller was born with citations, and basic information about family or where he grew up and played minor hockey if known. Currently, the birth date and location are not cited anywhere in the article. Cheers.

            True Pole

            Created by Staszek Lem (talk). Nominated by Buidhe (talk) at 09:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC).

            • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, size, refs, neutrality, hook, copyvio spotcheck, QPQ, all ok, with a strong preference to the short main hook. ALT2 is from a newspaper and debatable, and alt1 is historical trivia about a single individual. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:55, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
            • Symbol question.svg Please provide an inline cite for the hook fact in the article per WP:DYK#Cited hook. Yoninah (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
              • @Yoninah:The correct hook would be ALT0a: ... that a stereotypical True Pole is a Roman Catholic? ( only at the beginning of the 20th century they came to mean the declaration that the only proper Pole ought to be a Catholic - Brian Porter-Szűcs, "The Birth of the 'Polak-Katolik'", Sprawy Narodowościowe, no. 49, 2017, doi:10.11649/sn.1280 Lembit Staan (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
            • @Lembit Staan: this is a hook, designed to catch the reader's eye and get him to click on the article to read more. But we cannot promote it without an inline cite for the hook fact in the article. This applies to this sentence: A particular trait of "True Poles" is their adherence to Roman Catholicism. If this is not cited by the end of this week, the nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 17:15, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
              • I already answered: "the only proper Pole ought to be a Catholic". If you have problems with comprehension, not my problem. I dislike DYK anyway.

                Articles created/expanded on November 2

                Accounting and Finance Association of Australia and New Zealand

                • The organization serves the scholarly interests of accounting and finance academics and aims to establish new research and disseminate information in the Australian and New Zealand regions to strengthen the fields.

                5x expanded by Tinylucy191 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:13, 16 November 2020 (UTC).

                • Humcha Jain temples

                  Panchkuta Basadi, Humcha
                  Panchkuta Basadi, Humcha

                  Created by Pratyk321 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC).

                  • Symbol confirmed.svg Prose size enough (5377 characters (861 words)), created 1 day before nomination, hook short enough, content interesting, QPQ not required.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 10:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
                  • Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry, but all these hooks need copyediting for English grammar, and so does the article. The whole lead is not subscribing to English grammar: The Humcha Jain temples or Humcha basadis are a group Jain temples in the Humcha, Shimoga district in Karnataka, India. Constructed from 7th century during the reign of the Santara dynasty, Humcha is one of the great Jain centers of Karnataka, noted for their elaborate architecture. A quick glance at the body shows the second sentence also has problems: Jinadatta, of Solar dynasty, a royal prince of Mathura, flee from his home city in the north due to family reasons., and I'm sure there's more. Please apply at WP:GOCE for a copyedit. Yoninah (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
                  • Hi Yoninah, Thanks a lot. I have requested for help on WP:GOCE on 3rd November 2020. I'll ping you once the issues with this article get resolved. Thanks and regards - Pratyk321 (talk)

                  Gun serial number

                  • ... that a gun serial number can be any random set of numbers letters or a character string? Source: Michigan State Police, Criminal Justice Information Center, Firearms Records Unit. "Firearms Identification Field Guide" (PDF). Michigan State Police. p. 2. Retrieved November 11, 2020.CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
                    • ALT1:... that a gun serial number can be any random set of numbers letters or a character string? Source: Ibid.
                    • ALT2:... that the positioning of a gun's serial number is idiosyncratic?Source: Ibid.
                    • ALT3:... that many gun crimes are solved because guns are required to have a unique identifier known as a serial number?Source: Ibid.

                  Created by Enthusiast01 (talk), Andrew Davidson (talk), Gleeanon409 (talk), Greyjoy (talk), 7&6=thirteen (talk), and Lightburst (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 23:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

                  • I checked it passed time of creation(created 7 days ago at the time of nomination), length, within policy, QPQ passed. I leaved a message for the facts to be cited. (It's my first time to the process, bear with me if there are errors. Feedback are welcomed)

                    Sean Cole

                    Created by Esprit15d (talk). Self-nominated at 16:26, 10 November 2020 (UTC).

                    • Note: The nominator has less than 5 DYK credits and so is not required to submit a QPQ yet. The QPQ that was submitted was not a full review. Yoninah (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                    • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi there, I began the review but ran into the issue that right now the entry does not have much independent secondary source coverage of Cole, necessary to ward off any concerns this entry may not meet WP:NPERSON. Are more sources available to be incorporated? This is the kind of entry I write most often and unfortunately it can happen that journalists are not themselves the subject of profiles written by others, leaving them ineligible for WP even if they are quite famous. But hopefully there’s more available? Innisfree987 (talk) 00:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
                    • Hi Esprit15d, a ping to make sure you’d like to go forward with this DYK. I have added to the entry and I think it is within bounds now, but I’d like to have another DYK reviewer check my work. Just wanted to make sure you were still interested first. Thanks! Innisfree987 (talk) 17:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

                    August Pfluger

                    Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 21:40, 9 November 2020 (UTC).

                    Hook eligibility:

                    QPQ: ????
                    Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ not done yet. I can't found the interesting part of the hook. Obviously, I expected a guy who has the name "Pfluger" on it to descent from someone who has a connection with the same word. This review might be a little bit subjective, but I suggest you try another ALT hook. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 15:34, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

                    • Symbol confirmed.svg Hi, your reviewer has retired so I'll finish this up. Article is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, and no close paraphrasing seen. Either hook is fine and both are verified and cited inline. QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 17:30, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

                    Molly Gray

                    • Reviewed: IOU

                    Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 9 November 2020 (UTC).

                    • Barbara L. Kelly

                      Barbara Kelly in 2019
                      Barbara Kelly in 2019

                      Created by Aklein62 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:47, 12 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol confirmed.svg Artcle is new, long enough and neıtral. It cites sources inline. Two missing citations are indicated. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports two relative-high rated text similarities, which result mostly from entries in the "Selected writings" section, which is not included in the DYK text. Therefore, no problem for text similarities. The hook is well-formatted and interesting. Its length is within limit. Missing citation for the accuracy of the hook fact is indicated. QPQ was done. Image is included in the article, and is ©-free. I will aprove after the citation issue is addressed. CeeGee 11:56, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                        Thank you. I hope Aklein62 can help with referencing the youth. The hook fact is part of a quotation, first of two sentences. I think it would be nonsense to repeat the ref after the fist sentence, just for DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Thanks for this initiative. About the first paragraph: I've received this information from Barbara Kelly directly. I have asked her if she can find a quotable source, and she is currently looking into the matter. Not sure, though, whether she can find any. If she can, it would be an old newspaper report. If not, we would have to live with the cn issue remaining open. – Aklein62 (talk) 13:00, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but that first paragraph needs some citations per Rule D2. If you cannot find a citation for her birthdate, you must remove it. BTW all facts in an article must be attributable to reliable, published sources. Hearing them from someone, even the subject herself, is not enough. Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Articles created/expanded on November 6

                      A Little Lower Than the Angels (novel)

                      • ... that Latter-Day Saint Apostle John A. Widtsoe gave A Little Lower than the Angels a negative review for Virginia Sorensen's portrayal of Joseph Smith as an "ordinary, insipid milk and water figure"? Source: Howe, Susan Elizabeth (2002). "Virginia Sorensen's A Little Lower Than the Angels and John A. Widtsoe; A Lesson in Literary History". Annual (Association for Mormon letters): 87–94.
                        • ALT1:... that Virginia Sorensen's main characters in A Little Lower than the Angels were based on her own grandparents, who brought books across the plains as pioneers? Source: Sorensen, Virgina (1980). "'If You Are a Writer, You Write!': an interview with Virginia Sorensen". Dialogue. 13: 17–36.

                      Created by Bassknight(byu) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:39, 6 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As most sources are offline, unable to check for close paraphrasing. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
                      • Please look at how I edited the article to bring it in line with other Wikipedia book articles.
                      • Neither hook is accurate. ALT0 is rather wordy and includes a quote that doesn't appear in the article. ALT1 is so-so in terms of interest but the article says it was her great-grandparents, not her grandparents. If you have any corrections or new hook ideas, please add them to the bottom of this thread. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 00:06, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Article tagged for paid contributions —valereee (talk) 13:12, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • @Valereee: this is no different than other editors who have (byu) in their usernames. They use the LDS library to write about LDS subjects, but try to be factual and impartial. This is a new editor who is still learning Wikipedia style. Yoninah (talk) 19:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Yoninah, his user page says he's paid by the library to create articles about them. —valereee (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      @Valereee: This is the same statement given by User:Rachel Helps (BYU), our first and longtime BYU editor, and User:Cstickel(byu). Yoninah (talk) 19:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Yoninah, do we have consensus on whether this is a major COI or not? I've seen Rachel Helps around before, but the statement that "I am an employee at the Harold B. Lee library at Brigham Young University (BYU), hired to write and edit Wikipedia articles related to the University and its history" is pretty plain. Have we had an RfC on this at COIN? —valereee (talk) 20:00, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      valereee I am not aware of any consensus. I've been reviewing these articles for years and they all seem straightforward and impartial. Yoninah (talk) 20:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Yoninah, I'm really uncomfortable with it. If we haven't had one, maybe we need an RfC. I believe the Mormons are a well-intentioned lot. I don't believe they'd intentionally violate our rules. That doesn't mean they don't have a COI that needs to be examined. —valereee (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      @Valereee: OK, go ahead and open an RfC. These are the 3 editors that I'm aware of. Yoninah (talk) 20:54, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

                      @Yoninah: Thank you for your help with this article! This is my first original article, and definitely was showing it. How flexible can these hooks be grammar-wise? I know that they need to be quotes from the article itself, but most of the sentences in the article don't make sense on their own without the context/antecedents. Should I edit the article to repeat book and person names more frequently? My next best idea for a hook would be from the "Publication" section: "The success of the novel outside of Utah was credited in some part to the open way Sorensen portrayed this early Mormon culture in a human, unthreatening way." I'll work with Rachel to get you something better. Thank you again! Bassknight(byu) (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2020‎ (UTC)

                      Articles created/expanded on November 10

                      Ruth Williams Cupp

                      Poster for Ruth Williams Cupp
                      Poster for Ruth Williams Cupp
                      • ... that Ruth Williams Cupp lost her bid for re-election in 1964 in part for supporting Lyndon Johnson after passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? Source: [16] ("Ruth lost her bid for re-election in 1964 for a variety of reasons, including her involvement in Lyndon Johnson’s presidential campaign").
                        • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

                      Created/expanded by Remember (talk). Self-nominated at 19:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg What is happening with the image licensing? Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
                      I am working on it. Been busy with personal matters but will get to it shortly. Remember (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2020 (UTC)
                      So the info on this picture is that it was bought and paid for by Ruth Cupp herself. She had professional pictures taken of her back in the day (like glamour shots). And now those that manage her estate had this picture. I can have them write an email to that effect. Is that what should be done? Remember (talk) 02:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Copyright of photographs generally belongs to the photographer/agency unless contractually stated otherwise. If the Cupp estate now owns copyright, they will need to provide clear evidence of permission. Please see Commons:OTRS, especially the section If you are NOT the copyright holder. --Animalparty! (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Added different images.

                      Alligator Rainwear

                      • ... that an Alligator in PVC gave Mary Quant a wet look? Source: "Quant launched her 'Wet Collection' in April 1963 at the Hôtel de Crillon, Paris, featuring entirely PVC garments. ... The material was so innovative that it took another two years before a collaboration with British manufacturer Alligator Rainwear resulted in a commercially viable range of Mary Quant PVC raincoats." ([17])

                      Created by Edwardx (talk), Philafrenzy (talk), and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 01:20, 17 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg Unless the intention was to make the hook vague on purpose (or invite readers to read the Alligator link), I don't think the hook works unless you know what PVC is or are familiar with Quant. Could something less vague be suggested here too? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Yes it is deliberately ambiguous and intended for the final slot as there are no suitable free images for a picture hook. I think ALT1 will make a good hook there. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:35, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Narutolovehinata5, surely all hooks ought to aim to get the reader to click on a link. Quant, Dior and Chanel have been called the three most important fashion designers of the 20th century. PVC is a commonly used and well-known material, not just in fashion. Edwardx (talk) 11:38, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Perhaps the hook could work as an AFD hook with the current wording, but otherwise it still seems too vague personally. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:52, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

                      M. P. Alladin

                      • ... that through his depiction of rural Indo-Trinidadian life, artist M. P. Alladin helped legitimise this subject as a topic for portrayal by artists in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "This major influence among Indian artists was in the subject matter he chose for his paintings. He showed that Indian rural life was a suitable area for exploitation. And like Selvon he gave a new dignity to this subject. The Indian artists now found exciting subjects in their own backyards and their own homes." (James Isiah Boodhoo (1999) The East Indians and the Creative Arts in the Caribbean, Caribbean Quarterly, 45:2-3, 64-66, DOI: 10.1080/00086495.1999.11829617)
                        • ALT1:... that M. P. Alladin was called the "Guru of painters" and "the most influential of artists" in Trinidad and Tobago? Source: "M.P., as he was affectionately called, is remembered as the 'Guru of painters' of Trinidad and Tobago in modern times". (Balkaransingh, Satnarine (2017). "The Role of the Tassa Drum Ensemble in Trinidad and Tobago's Cultural Identity Formation". In Hassankhan, Maurits S.; Roopnarine, Lomarsh; Mahase, Radica (eds.). Social and cultural dimensions of Indian indentured labour and its diaspora : past and present. London: Routledge. pp. 319–342.) "He has been without dispute the most influential of artists in Trinidad and Tobago"(James Isiah Boodhoo (1999) The East Indians and the Creative Arts in the Caribbean, Caribbean Quarterly, 45:2-3, 64-66, DOI: 10.1080/00086495.1999.11829617)
                        • ALT2:... that M. P. Alladin's artwork gave "new dignity" and legitimacy to the portrayal of rural Indo-Trinidadian life by artists in Trinidad and Tobago?
                        • ALT3:... that in Trinidad and Tobago, the depictions of rural Indo-Trinidadian life by M. P. Alladin helped legitimise this subject as a topic for portrayal by artists.

                      Created by Guettarda (talk). Self-nominated at 19:41, 11 November 2020 (UTC).

                      Symbol question.svg Interesting influential life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I'd like to polish a bit on the original hook, finding the other a bit not specific enough. I think Indo-Trinidadian is a tricky expression to start with, and rather think it could begin "that in Trinidad and Tobago, ...", without link - for current countries, which goes also for the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Thanks so much Gerda Arendt, and I appreciate your help with the hook (I know I'm out of my depth when I try to write about art and artists). What do you think of the Alts 2 and 3? Guettarda (talk) 06:06, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
                      I think your writing is fine, and we just need to overcome my language limits which may be similar to those of other readers. Having thouht about it, I think we might drop the whole long place name, and create a pipe for the impossible Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonian which I misunderstood! Only when looking it up did I realise that it actually means "from India" here. Perhaps "people in Trinidad with origin in India"? "Indian" is too ambiguous. I think for the hook, we should drop Tobago, and we might specify just Trinidad after his birth place, and in that place's article. And portrayal is more for portraits, no? My take:
                      ALT2a: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural life of people in Trinidad with origin in India in his paintings, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the topic?
                      ALT2b: ... that M. P. Alladin depicted rural life of people in Trinidad with origin from India in his art, and has been credited with giving "a new dignity" to the subject?
                      Or comibinations of the elements. - I always like to meet your name which has all of "my" letters in the same order ;) --

                      Yusuf Sayfa

                      Improved to Good Article status by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 02:07, 19 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol possible vote.svg The nomination still needs a QPQ requirement. Please be aware that a QPQ is expected to be completed within a week of nomination. Thank you. Flibirigit (talk) 14:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you. A full review is still needed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Baby bonds

                      5x expanded by Jkolli (talk). Self-nominated at 23:26, 12 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
                      • The hook, however, is quite technical for our general readership. We also don't print names on the main page that are not linked to a Wikipedia article. Can you think of an easier to understand hook angle? The part about estimating reparations from slavery is quite interesting. Yoninah (talk) 21:54, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Thank you so much for your review! I appreciate the feedback -- here are some alternate hooks that may be better.

                      Jkolli (talk) 04:57, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

                      • Thank you, those are good alts. Please add a cite to the first paragraph under "American Opportunity Accounts Act" per Rule D2, and we can finish this up. Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
                      • I added a citation to that paragraph. Thank you so much for all your help! Jkolli (talk) 17:49, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol confirmed.svg You're welcome. I fixed the links in the hooks. Both ALT1 and ALT2 are verified and cited inline; I have a slight preference for ALT2. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 17:56, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

                      West Bank bantustans

                      Palestinian-controlled West Bank
                      Palestinian-controlled West Bank

                      Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 09:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol delete vote.svg POV failure, duplicates existing articles. 11Fox11 (talk) 15:05, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                      This is the wrong forum. Your blanking is not consistent with WP:DELETE. You are welcome to open a deletion discussion, then we can get back to this afterwards. Onceinawhile (talk) 15:27, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                      The POV problems in the article are beyond repair, the article duplicates existing articles. 11Fox11 (talk) 19:17, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                      I see that you have never submitted or reviewed at DYK before. I suggest you review the policies and procedures here before commenting further.
                      Please explain your issues with the article at the talk page so we can proceed constructively. Onceinawhile (talk) 19:22, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
                      The premise that there are Bantustans is inherently POV premise which couldn't be fixed also like it was pointed is WP:POVFORK of West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord --Shrike (talk) 09:00, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
                      This is the wrong forum. You can call them what you want (islands? enclaves? patchwork? fragments?) but they are real. No respectable source denies that. The sources used in the article are of the highest quality. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Comment The article is one sided POV fest with chosen Pro-Palestinian POV authors to push a Bantustan concept in to I/P conflict. Its never could be a DYK material --Shrike (talk) 08:47, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Hi Shrike, sorry but you are wrong. Let’s discuss on the article talk page (your sources appear to have failed verification), and then come back here afterwards. Onceinawhile (talk) 10:11, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Did you actually read both sources before making your claim? --Shrike (talk) 10:21, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Given that the article is still there and discussions have been going forth on the article talk page, a new review is clearly needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Looks to me to be a POVFORK of Israeli apartheid analogy. (t · c) buidhe 02:42, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol possible vote.svg The topic of the article is not that clearly defined. To my reading, the main thrust is a mixture between a potential future final state which consists of enclaves, and a coverage of the comparisons of such enclaves (past, present, and future) to the bantustans. Regarding neutrality, while the usage of "bantustan" and related words through quotes seems like a necessary part of covering the topic well, the widespread usage of such words outside of quotes is concerning, and does not reflect common usage. Specifically regarding DYK, the proposed hook is inadequate, as it does not cover either of the entwined topics I mentioned before. Looking at just the hook alone the expected bolded article would be West Bank Areas in the Oslo II Accord. If the intended topic of the article is just those areas, then this article would be a POVFORK. If the intended topic is otherwise, and this can be clarified, the hook would need to relate to that topic. CMD (talk) 17:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Micromégas

                      • ... that Voltaire wrote a science fiction novella about an alien visiting Earth named Micromégas?
                        • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

                      Created by Alank202 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:23, 12 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately, this does not meet the core requirement for DYK, which is that it be new or five-times expanded within the last seven days. The article is not new, as it has existed since 2004, and its recent expansion is only about two-times expanded, from 3587 B (610 words) readable prose size before to 7127 B (1193 words) readable prose size now.
                      In addition, the article has two unaddressed maintenance notices at the top related to sourcing. The two newly added sections also have some tone problems – they read more like student essays than the expected phrasing of a Wikipedia article. There are also some appearances glitches such as the inclusion of "[edit][edit]" in two section headers. Wasted Time R (talk) 02:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Symbol possible vote.svg Alank202, while it will require a great deal of work to increase the article from the original 3587 prose characters to 17935 prose characters, you may still be working on the article for your class, which ends next month. (You would also need to address the maintenance notices and work on the prose per the original reviewer.) If you don't think you'll be able to do this, let us know and we'll close the nomination now; otherwise, please let us know your plans for the article. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:34, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Mandakini River

                      Created/expanded by FiertlA (talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 16 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol delete vote.svg There is currently no article at the target page (Mandakani River). The nomination can continue if an article can be created that meets the requirements, but this does not happen then this must be closed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Nominator fixed the typo in the hook. (The correct article name already appeared everywhere else in the nomination template.) MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 22:56, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Symbol question.svg It appears that while a 5x expansion was indeed accomplished, it occurred on the 2nd of November; however the article was nominated on 17 November, which is beyond the seven day requirement. The nominator is new to Wikipedia and DYK so a one-time IAR exemption could be considered provided no other issues exist, so I'll leave a message at WT:DYK regarding the date requirement. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol confirmed.svg This article has been five-fold expanded by a student editor and is new enough (IAR) and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and I have added ALT1 to provide context, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. No QPQ is needed here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook does not accurately reflect the article, which says more than 1,000 people died as a result. I also feel the hook could be made a lot stronger with more detail. I could suggest something if you'd like. Yoninah (talk) 12:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Hello, thank you very much! I would definitely love to hear suggestions and really appreciate the help! Please go ahead and do as you please and thank you again. Stay well. FiertlA (talk) 05:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)FiertlA
                      • ALT2: ... that 25 million tourists—2 ½ times the population of the entire state—visited the Mandakini River in Uttarakhand in 2011? Source: "Though, the state population is about 10 million, over 25 million tourists visited here in 2011 despite the fact that the state remains under frequent natural hazards in the forms of landslides, earthquakes and flash floods mainly during monsoon." ([https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2212420914000235 International Journal of Disaster Risk Reduction)
                      • I also added a "citation needed" tag to the first sentence under "Role in the establishment of surrounding villages". Yoninah (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Restoring thread. FiertlA please do not edit or write over previous posts; it makes it impossible to follow the discussion. I added your new hook as ALT1, but struck it because it is not correct: the article only talks about "over 1,000". I also struck the first hook. The ALT2 hook is already present in the thread, so there's no reason to repeat it at the top. If you have any more alts to add, please do so at the bottom of this thread. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:01, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol question.svg The nominator has not been online for a week now, and based on his last comment, I wonder if he wants us to go ahead and approve a new hook. Pinging original reviewer Cwmhiraeth to review my hook suggestion. Yoninah (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

                      References

                      1. ^ Rawat, A; Gulati, G; Maithani, R (2019). "Bioassessment of Mandakini River with the help of aquatic macroinvertebrates in the vicinity of Kedarnath Wildlife Sanctuary". Applied water science. 10 (36). doi:10.1007/s13201-019-1115-5.

                      Articles created/expanded on November 13

                      Gernot Roll

                      Gernot Roll in 2015
                      Gernot Roll in 2015

                      5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:59, 17 November 2020 (UTC).


                      QPQ: Done.

                      Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Article is clean. Couple of quick questions. Filmography section is not sourced within the segment. I know this article went recently to homepage / RD, so, the sourcing must be good, but, I am not able to see the links. Also, is there something we can do on the hook's interestingness? Is there anything about these two works in particular that makes them interesting? Cheeers. Ktin (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

                      I duplicated the ref. Well, I picked two titles that sound attractive in English, and show a long career and diversity. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Gerda Arendt, Thanks Gerda. The leading line says "films for which Roll was the cinematographer" but the table below says "Director", please can we fix that as well. Not fully convinced on the interestingness of the two movies in specific. Is there anything else that can be an interesting hook? Don't get me wrong, but, as a cinematographer one would have movies for which they would have handled cinematography for. Not sure that is interesting per se. But, if you do not find something more interesting, perhaps we go with what you have.Ktin (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
                      I don't think we list one where he was also director, because they didn't get articles in English, and his photography was what got him prizes, not directing. - What would interest you? The film about Mann's novel was received as spectacular, but there's not much room in a hook. Would people know the names of directors if mentioned? I can't tell. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Gerda Arendt Marked the citation complete. Also, marked the interestingness portion complete. Should be good to go. If there is a more interesting hook, I am open to reviewing that. Let me know. Cheers.Ktin (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol question.svg @Ktin: you should also check for hookiness. Oh, you did. But you approved it anyway. Why is this hooky? If I don't know who he is and have never heard of these films, why would I click on this? Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Yoninah, Greetings. I do not know what you mean by "hooky". If you meant interestingness, you will see that I have asked the question above and have AGF by marking interestingness portion complete. You will see that specific note (suggesting that if an alternate / more interesting hook comes available that should be used) in my edit summary as well. Good luck. Ktin (talk) 17:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • @Ktin: "Did you know that ... X=Y" is not considered a hook. I can assure you that no one will click on this, and it certainly does not belong in the image slot. If another hook cannot be found, this should be closed as unsuccessful. Yoninah (talk) 17:53, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • @Yoninah:, I do not dispute anything of what you say and in fact you will see that my messages above are in agreement to what you are suggesting. However, I want you and myself to be respectful of the other person (in this case the nominator) 's perspective on interestingness. Interestingness is a subjective construct and the nominator does provide a rationale in one of the comments. Also, I do not follow what you mean by "does not belong in the image slot". Please feel free to proceed as you feel fit. Good luck.Ktin (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Can you give me a direction? It's not a subject I know much about. With all these awards, he deserves to be remembered, and I'd find mentioning awards much more boring than what he actually did. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:57, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • You're right, there's almost nothing to work with here. How about:
                      • ALT1: ... that Gernot Roll (pictured), a founding member of the Deutsche Filmakademie, was regarded as a master of literary films?
                      • But I don't see this in footnote 1; please verify the translation there. Yoninah (talk) 18:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Yoninah, please don't take my comment as a 'tit-for-tat'. But, I dont think the above statement is interesting either. A founded B and was good at making C films. Ktin (talk) 18:11, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • @Ktin: You're right. And there's nothing else to work with here. The whole article is a series of facts without any "color" (detail, description of those facts). But ALT0 is the same as saying: "Did you know ... that D. W. Griffith filmed The Birth of a Nation?
                      • It might be helpful for you to review the pageviews on recent DYK hooks to see what our readers find "hooky". Or even try and build a prep set yourself. Yoninah (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • @Yoninah:, I am not holding a defense for ALT0. Just noted my observations. As an aside, I also feel in the quest for interestingness far too many DYK hooks are taking liberties from facts or end up being deliberately 'click baitey'. Case in point -- this one on today's DYK link. Have a look if you have a moment. Ktin (talk) 18:42, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

                      ALT1 is impossible if not saying that he was mainly cinematographer (vs. script writer and director). If you give me some time I can get the 900 candles over from sources to article. I bet readers would be interested in the burping etc in one of his farces (directed), but I'm not willing to supply that, even with time. Probably not today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Thank you. Yoninah (talk) 18:52, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Gerda Arendt, Yoninah -- if you folks end up going for ALT1 go ahead and use this source. Source text: "Roll was a specialist in literary adaptations and biographies." Der Spiegel Ktin (talk) 18:54, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Nowhere in Africa won an Oscar (for ALT0?) Grimes2 (talk) 19:02, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • ALT2: ... that Gernot Roll (pictured) was the cinematographer for the Oscar-winning film Nowhere in Africa and expert in literary adaptations and film biographies? Grimes2 (talk) 20:41, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                        Thank you for the idea, but that would have to be (and sourced) in the article, and - can't believe it - is not even in the film article, but a source! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                        You se how little I know about the subject, - it's probably Academy Award. Still needs link and mentioning in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                       Done Grimes2 (talk) 21:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Yes, the Oscars are the Academy Awards. Grimes2 (talk) 06:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Please add information from the Der Spiegel source that Ktin provided above (it's in German). It is more correct to say in the lead that he was an expert in literary adaptations and film biographies than that he was an expert on literary material, whatever that means. Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
                       Done Grimes2 (talk) 22:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Thank you. I'll wait - too tired anyway - with trying to say something sensational. Can't help thinking that mentioning Buddenbrooks, a giant novel by Thomas Mann, is more precise than "literary adaptations". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Sorry folks, just returning to this one. Who has the ball on this one? Hopefully not me. Gerda @Gerda Arendt: you? No rush at all. Marking @Yoninah: as well. Cheers. Ktin (talk) 08:02, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Articles created/expanded on November 15

                      Geology of Himachal Pradesh

                      geological map of Himachal Pradesh
                      geological map of Himachal Pradesh
                      • ... that rocks in Himachal Pradesh are heavily thrusted and immensely folded? Source: [10.1130/GES00627.1]
                        • ALT1:... that ...?

                      Created/expanded by Nykwong (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

                      Fault zone hydrogeology

                      Layers of clay deformed by seismic activity can block the flow of fluid underground.
                      Layers of clay deformed by seismic activity can block the flow of fluid underground.

                      Moved to mainspace by Shloscar (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

                      Geotechnical applications of Lidar

                      The digital terrain model, in black, ignore vegetation in red.
                      The digital terrain model, in black, ignore vegetation in red.
                      • ... that Lidar can be used to make a digital terrain model? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                        • ALT1:... that ...? Source: [18]

                      Moved to mainspace by Waikinl (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:41, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol possible vote.svg While there are two sections about digital terrain models, the hook isn't actually in the article. There are parts at the end of sections that are unreferenced, as well as parts of the two wikitables. The article also shouldn't be an orphan. Otherwise - I can verify some of the information by reading the source abstracts and I assume good faith on the rest of the sourced information. A QPQ has been completed. The image is free use. SL93 (talk) 23:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Little Ice Age volcanism

                      graph of average temperature on the Earth
                      graph of average temperature on the Earth
                      • ... that Little Ice Age volcanism is likely to have caused global cooling? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                      • Reviewed: SY Gunilda
                      • Comment: Part of Regional Geology course

                      Moved to mainspace by Marcolam308 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:30, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • I oppose the hook. Based on the reference for this very image, there was essentially no global cooling during the so-called Little Ice Age. LIA was a regional phenomenon. See Hawkins, Ed (January 30, 2020). "2019 years". climate-lab-book.ac.uk. Archived from the original on February 2, 2020. RCraig09 (talk) 23:28, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Earth system interactions across mountain belts

                      Flat slab subduction
                      Flat slab subduction

                      Moved to mainspace by Hrhunt (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg The hook needs to be formatted. Yoninah (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Hook has been formatted. Full review of nomination needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:46, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Articles created/expanded on November 16

                      Stardock Systems Inc. v. Paul Reiche III and Robert Frederick Ford

                      • Comment: Might be at the edge of the 7 day requirement, due to article only hitting the new article announcements yesterday at the relevant Wikipeda project.

                      Moved to mainspace by Jorahm (talk) and DocFreeman24 (talk). Nominated by Shooterwalker (talk) at 23:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Thanks for giving time to fix that. To keep it short, I went with the WP:COMMONNAME as seen in high quality legal articles like Sega v. Accolade. (Probably worth moving the main page too, as per conventions, if that's not disruptive.) It's hard to distill this into a tight sentence so focusing just on one submission now. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:02, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Erfreue dich, Himmel, erfreue dich, Erde

                      Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • if "Psalmlied" is a word it would be good to add it to Wiktionary: [20], as even German words should be in there. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:07, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
                        German is flexible. Do we have Weihnachtslied, Sommerlied, Abendlied, Schunkellied, Schlaflied ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Gerda Arendt, what does "beginning of Christian hymns" mean? CMD (talk) 16:14, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
                      Do you think that "first line" would be clearer than "beginning"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
                      Possibly. Is it only the first line that is used in hymns? The article seems to be about the 1963 longer piece. CMD (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
                      Did you read it? Because if it's that unclear I need to change something. The shorter piece will never get an article of its own, so this should cover both. Perhaps there should be two infoboxes. Six of the older song's eight lines are also part of the younger one, - is that clear? Can we perhaps have this conversation on the article talk, instead of the DYK nomination? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

                      Aparna Rao

                      • ... that Aparna Rao, an anthropologist, spoke more than seven languages? Source: "It was this immense talent for learning languages which enabled Aparna to master, not only her mother-tongues Bengali, Hindi and English, but also French, Farsi, Urdu, Romanes and some vernacular languages of northern India" [21].
                        • ALT1:... that Aparna Rao, an anthropologist, was a member of the Société Asiatique? Source: "Aparna Rao war in zahlreichen internationalen akademischen Institutionen enga giert, so unter anderem als Mitglied der Societe Asiatique in Paris, al" (poor english translation: "Aparna Rao was involved in numerous international academic institutions, including as a member of the Societe Asiatique in Paris") [22].
                        • ALT2:... that Aparna Rao, an anthropologist, studied the impact of the Kashmir conflict on the environment? Source: "They collaborated as well in research and writing about the Bakkarwal of jammu and Kashmir, the Kashmir conflict's devastating effect on lives and environment, and many other subjects." (they referring to Rao and her husband). [23]
                      • Reviewed: first DYK nomination, so not required
                      • Comment: Can provide access to paywalled sources via email upon request. This is my first nomination so please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong.

                      Created by Мастер Шторм (talk). Nominated by Sam-2727 (talk) at 15:15, 21 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol possible vote.svg The original GA review is within the timeline for this nomination to pass. However, the GA review itself was followed by a large number of edits made, there is currently a neutrality tag on the article, and the GA review was conducted by a user who's now known to be a sockpuppet. The review is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations § Cirt/Right cite GA reviews which may result in removal of the article's GA status at this time. I don't think the article's primary author/improver, nor the nominator here, are at fault nor acting at bad faith, but I don't feel comfortable continuing this review and even considering passing the article when the triggering event is in question. There are two possible ways this can move forward: the article remains a GA (either by consensus that it can, or by someone else "accepting responsibility" for the current GA review) and I will return to re-evaluate the DYK criteria in full; or the article's GA status is either revoked or put back on hold, in which case I will fail this DYK nomination with no prejudice towards a renomination if/when the article becomes a GA again. For this time, I will leave this nomination here for now, and I'll be watching for a resolution to the GA question - after which I will return to close out this review. Pinging User:Мастер Шторм and User:Sam-2727. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 03:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Berchanhimez, Thanks for the comment, I think this is a good way to move forward with the nomination. Sam-2727 (talk) 15:19, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • I also agree with this Berchanhimez. Sam-2727, please note that in the article, I have made this and this change. However, it would be fine with me if you would like to reinstate the replaced source also and keep both of them. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 19:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Laura's Ghost

                      • ... that a portion of the proceeds from Laura's Ghost were donated to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network? Source: "A portion of proceeds from book sales will go to the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network." [24]
                        • ALT1:... that Laura's Ghost features interviews with Sheryl Lee, Grace Zabriskie, and Jennifer Lynch? Source: "Among the featured interviewees and essayists are four women professionally involved in the making of Twin Peaks: Sheryl Lee, who played Laura; Grace Zabriskie, who played Laura’s mother; Sabrina S. Sutherland, David Lynch’s trusted producer; and Jennifer Lynch, who authored The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer." [25]
                      • Reviewed: Exempt from QPQ - fewer than five DYK credits

                      Created by Samsmachado (talk). Self-nominated at 16:57, 16 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg In good shape: long enough, new enough, no Earwig pings, neutral, no QPQ required. ALT0 could work but I wonder if we could get a punchier hook. If I might make one suggestion for the entry, it’s that it could use a little more background for those of us who haven’t seen the show—a quick gloss on the Laura Palmer character and maybe info on what the people you mentioned as involved did on the show. I think it might that would give us more hook ideas, as well as make the entry more informative to a general audience. What do you think Samsmachado? Innisfree987 (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
                      As an example (having read some of the linked entries):
                      Or another idea you have! The info would just need to be included in this entry. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:52, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
                      I began adding to the entry but I’m sure there’s lots I don’t know! Innisfree987 (talk) 19:58, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • Thanks for your edits, Innisfree987. I've gone back to the page and added some context about Laura. I'm hesitant about ALT1b because it focusses a lot on presenting Laura as a dead entity, which seems to go against what the book intends (see what I added about the cover image in Development). Perhaps:
                      I don't know if that's really punchy...? Samsmachado (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
                      Ah, wonderful expansion—all makes much more sense to me now. For a hook, what about:
                      • ALT2: ... in publishing Laura's Ghost, the author insisted the book cover show a photo of Laura alive?
                      That’s a bit more eye-catching (yet since it’s a fictional character, not exploitative of a real person). We could keep brainstorming though if it doesn’t suit you! Just trying to come up with something that feels a bit surprising.

                      Paper Mario: The Origami King

                      • Reviewed: Second DYK, QPQ exempt

                      Improved to Good Article status by Le Panini (talk). Self-nominated at 02:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC).

                      • Symbol question.svg As someone who has never played this game before and knows next to nothing about it, I do not think either of these hooks are particularly strong or "hooky". I do not think it was a good idea to make both hooks about the character Olivia as that does not mean much for people unfamiliar with the game. I would recommend thinking of a different approach. Aoba47 (talk) 01:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • First time here. I would like to suggest the fact that the idea of the battle system is based on Rubik's Cube. MilkyDefer (talk) 12:09, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
                      • I was gonna suggest a DYK about Shigeru Miyamoto not being involved with the development process. I would word in a way where people new to the game would still be surprised about it. Hers an example.

                      ... that Shigeru Miyamoto, the creator of Mario, was barely involved with the development of Paper Mario: The Origami King? "Paper Mario: The Origami King devs had "almost complete control" over direction". VG247. Retrieved November 6, 2020.

                      Or it could be about the Rubik's cube, but it up to @Aoba47:. Le Panini Talk 12:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

                      • I will leave this up to another editor. I just wanted to raise my concern about the initial hooks. Good luck with this. Aoba47 (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

                      Gertrude Degenhardt

                      • Reviewed: to come
                      • Comment: She just turned 80, and we missed it, - so sorry. Wish we could show her art. The ref is titled "the untameable pleasure in exaggeration".

                      Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:10, 25 November 2020 (UTC).