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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
May 17 1
May 23 1
May 28 1
June 1 1
June 3 1
June 7 1
June 9 1
June 13 1
June 20 1
June 21 1
June 22 1
June 23 1
June 25 1
June 27 1
June 28 1
July 1 1
July 2 2
July 3 1
July 5 1
July 6 4
July 7 2 1
July 8 2 1
July 9 3 2
July 10 1
July 11 5 1
July 12 8 2
July 13 7 1
July 14 4 1
July 15 6 2
July 16 8 1
July 17 8 5
July 18 7 5
July 19 11 10
July 20 2 2
July 21 10 6
July 22 7 3
July 23 8 4
July 24 13 11
July 25 8 7
July 26 7 5
July 27 10 4
July 28 8 5
July 29 14 7
July 30 11 3
July 31 10 6
August 1 7 2
August 2 7 4
August 3 6 3
August 4 7
August 5
Total 231 104
Last updated 01:26, 5 August 2021 UTC
Current time is 01:28, 5 August 2021 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
Official DYK criteria: DYK rules and supplementary guidelines
Unofficial guide: Learning DYK

To nominate an article

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

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Instructions for other editors

How to promote an accepted hook

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a Prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
1) Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg.
2) Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
a. Any outstanding issue following Symbol confirmed.svg Symbol voting keep.svg needs to be addressed before promoting.
3) Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
4) Images must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
5) Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
6) Hook should make sense grammatically.
7) Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
8) Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
1) For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
a. Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
2) Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
a. Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
b. Check that there's a bold link to the article.
3) If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
4) Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
5) Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
a. At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
6) Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

How to remove a rejected hook

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at
    • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 17


  • ... that Lajia was the place where the world's oldest noodles were found?
  • Comment: The source of the hook fact can be found in reference 6.

5x expanded by Jehbe3412 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg. I cannot establish that this article has been expanded 5x between the 7 May and the 17 May. Even if I take the most generous bracket of time (i.e. not counting the subsequent downsizing by Keith D), I am supposed to compare the version of 02:06, 26 April 2021‎ with the version of 13:45, 17 May 2021‎. For the first version, DYKCheck gives me 1914 characters and 328 words. For the second version, DYKCheck gives me 5882 characters and 982 words. JBchrch talk 20:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg There was one edit which was a 2 x expansion. The nom has only ever made 3 edits and no amount of leeway could get this close. Desertarun (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you for letting me know, I will be expanding the Lajia article further.

    Marie Antoinette with a Rose

    • ... that the previous portrait that illustrates Marie Antoinette wearing a muslin dress before Marie Antoinette with a Rose (pictured) was painted, is the subject's favourite dress? Source: "Vigée-Le Brun presented notably a new portrait of the Queen wearing the “gaulle” or “blouse dress”. Adapted to Parisian fashion by the dressmaker Rose Bertin, this muslin dress was the Queen’s favourite one during her stays at the Petit Trianon, away from the court. The visitors of the Salon were shocked by this portrait: in their view the Queen was not dressed as befitted her rank. So the painting was quickly withdrawn. Vigée-Le Brun then quickly painted a second portrait to be exhibited before the end of the Salon." Google Arts & Culture

    Created by JeBonSer (talk). Self-nominated at 01:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

    Symbol possible vote.svg Length (just barely) and reference verified ... however:
    • How sure are we that Google Arts & Culture is an RS? Mightn't we be better with the original text from Versailles if it's available, or from a reputable art site or book?
    • I think the body text should be rewritten a little more so it doesn't use so much of the same phrasing as the Google page. It passed a copyvio check, but still ...
    • And frankly, this hook would be better off for an article about that previous painting. Or rewritten to be more about this one. As it is it's like we had an article about a building and a hook about the one next door to it.
    Daniel Case (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
    OK, that takes care of the third issue I had, but not the other two. Daniel Case (talk) 17:52, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Pointing out that JeBonSer's talk page shows five DYK credits; a QPQ will be required. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
    To clarify, the submitted QPQ review was previously used on Template:Did you know nominations/Portrait of Madame Jacques-Louis Leblanc, which was promoted to the main page on June 9. As a QPQ may only be used once, the one here cannot be reused and a new QPQ review will need to be performed. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
    • @Daniel Case: Older reference was now replaced with the original reference from the Palace of Versailles with additional new references from other sites and a new QPQ was provided. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 16:39, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
    @JeBonSer: OK, but per BlueMoonset above you still need to do another QPQ and post the link here. Daniel Case (talk) 17:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
    @Daniel Case: QPQ: From St. George's Basilica, Prague to Theodolinda Hahnsson. The current provided QPQ is not still used. See the difference of my edit here. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:04, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
    JeBonSer, even though you have officially changed the references, the actual prose is still unchanged, which means Daniel Case's point about needing to deal with the overly close paraphrasing from the Google source—putting the material in your own words while remaining accurate—still has to be done. Close paraphrasing is a very serious matter. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
    @BlueMoonset: Daniel Case, I have already rewritten the article and the information is still intact and accurate. The problems are all resolved now. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 08:47, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

    Well, Earwig finds one huge copyvio, but that's someone quoting this page, and the rest are good. But move that other picture down and right-justify it because otherwise it's an awful-looking violation of MOS:SANDWICH. And I want to know what @BlueMoonset: thinks. Daniel Case (talk) 03:28, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

    Daniel Case, JeBonSer, the article currently fails the length requirement; it has 1401 prose characters after some needed copyedits, below DYK's minimum of 1500 prose characters. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    BlueMoonset, Daniel Case, the article is eligible now because I add some phrase on it and the prose character now is exceeding 1500. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 18:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
    JeBonSer, I have no idea what the newly added sentence is trying to say. You need to be clear in your writing, if you wish the expansion to be accepted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
    @BlueMoonset: The new sentence has now been cleared. JeBonSer (talk | sign) 03:42, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
    JeBonSer, it is not clear, and it's troubling that you think it is. I'm going to ping Surtsicna and Johnbod, both of whom have done cleanup edits on earlier versions of this article, to see whether they can help. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
    Done, I hope. I haven't done a recount! Johnbod (talk) 19:39, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

    Articles created/expanded on May 28

    Semi-cursive script

    • ... that since Chinese calligraphy is disappearing due to the introduction of solid writing tools, a robotic arm was programmed to replicate semi-cursive script writing using the writing brush 17 years ago? Source: "Yao, Fenghui; Shao, Guifeng; Yi, Jianqiang (January 2004). "Trajectory generation of the writing–brush for a robot arm to inherit block–style Chinese character calligraphy techniques". Advanced Robotics. 18 (3): 331–356. doi:10.1163/156855304322972477. ISSN 0169-1864."
      • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

    Expanded by MeipleLeaf (talk). Self-nominated at 03:47, 24 May 2021 (UTC).

    • Symbol question.svg Article has over 1,500 characters in prose. Article was not expanded 5 times its size at the time of nomination but it has been remedied since. Article is written in a neutral tone and is adequately sourced, but the refimprove tag added in 2013 still is a concern. In the "Writing conventions" and "Computer encoding" sections, there's some unnecessary capitalization in the headers. lullabying (talk) 07:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Additional comments: this is the user's first nomination so a QPQ is not needed at this time. I assume good faith on offline sources. For the hook, I would suggest getting rid of the first part of the sentence as it makes the hook wordy. ALT1 was not suggested; did you intend on including it? lullabying (talk) 07:26, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
    • Symbol delete vote.svg Nominator (a student editor) hasn't edited since May 28th and the issues remain unresolved. Unless another editor decides to adopt this, it is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
      • Unless if someone with more expertise in CJKV writing comes along and wants it, I volunteer to adopt this nom. I changed the headers and will look at sourcing next. MSG17 (talk) 12:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
    @MSG17: Have you been able to address all of Lullabying's concerns? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
    I've been able to address the headers, and I have started working on references. However, I am rather unsatisifed with that content of this article, as it strays in several places to cover the history of calligraphy in general, rather than just this particular script. Nevertheless, I'm working on it, and should have a suitable version soon. MSG17 (talk) 12:05, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
    • 32nd anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests

      A candle-lit US Consulate, Hong Kong on the night of 4 June 2021
      A candle-lit US Consulate, Hong Kong on the night of 4 June 2021
      • ... that a pro-establishment legislator said the HK government ought to be "forthcoming and tell the public that the [32nd anniversary] vigil was not ... just banned because of the pandemic as claimed"? Source: Disband or risk prosecution, vigil organisers warned, RTHK
        • ALT1:... that a pro-establishment legislator said the HK government ought to admit that the 32nd anniversary memorial of the Tiananmen protests "was not ... just banned because of the pandemic as claimed"? Source: Disband or risk prosecution, vigil organisers warned, RTHK
        • ALT2:... that the US consulate in Hong Kong lit hundreds of candles (pictured) to commemorate the 32nd anniversary of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests? Source: "China Blasts US And EU Consulates In Hong Kong For Tiananmen Candles". International Business Times. AFP. 4 June 2021.
        • Reviewed: see User:Ohconfucius/DYK#QPQ

      Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self-nominated at 12:20, 7 June 2021 (UTC).

      • Symbol question.svg Date and length fine. However I have a few issues with the hooks. First of all we should say Hong Kong, not HK (which sadly would put ALT1 over the character limit), secondly "pro-establishment" seems a little WP:LOADED to me, Would "pro-Beijing" be better? The Embassy one is good but less hooky than the originals so I'll let @Ohconfucius: decide how he wishes to proceed. Also, can you please clarify for me what you are using as a QPQ? No close paraphrasing and could you ping me when its done and I can have another look at it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 13:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
      • "Pro-Beijing" would be acceptable, because it's a commonly-used term. In that case, would it be possible to simply say "the government" using a pipe? so we would have:
      ALT3b:... that a pro-Beijing legislator said the government ought to admit that the 32nd anniversary memorial of the Tiananmen protests "was not ... just banned because of the pandemic as claimed"?
      For the QPQ, I was thinking of applying Emrullah İşler if it remains valid. -- Ohc revolution of our times 23:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
      @Ohconfucius: That's from 7 years ago. I could AGF on it at a stretch but have you got a more recent one? I know there was a discussion recently about time limiting QPQs so I would feel much better if you could provide one that's more recent please. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
      I'll get reviewing something, possibly tonight. -- Ohc revolution of our times 10:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the suggestion. It's acceptable but is not my preferred choice, but the advantage is that it gets us under the maximum number of characters. -- Ohc revolution of our times 23:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
      • @The C of E: Since the nominator is OK with the new hook, this review looks like it is almost ready for completion. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
      • I see, I misread the chain of comments. In that case pinging @Ohconfucius: to provide a recent qpq, otherwise I'll mark this for closure. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:29, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry for the lack of action on my part. I'm currently on the road, and will be back properly in two weeks. If this nomination will have passed its time limits by then, you may close it. Cheers, - Ohc revolution of our times 05:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

      Articles created/expanded on June 3

      Royal Hibernian Hotel

      • ... that the Royal Hibernian Hotel is thought to be the oldest known hotel in Ireland? Source: "The origin of the Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dawson Street, goes back to 1751, which makes it the oldest known hotel in Ireland."

      Created by Ritchie333 (talk) and Smirkybec (talk). Self-nominated at 15:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC).

      • Suggesting "oldest hotel", because "thought to be" already conveys that it's a good guess, but a "oldest known hotel" suggests that there are some "unknown hotels" knocking about. Bogger (talk) 19:35, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
      @Bogger: The problem with that, is that from my experience, somebody will probably complain at WP:ERRORS that "oldest hotel" is not sufficiently verified when this hits the main page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
      Will review...@Ritchie333: & meantime check Woodenbridge Hotel. Firsts and oldest are sometimes difficult. Whispyhistory (talk) 12:51, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
      The source says the Woodenbridge Hotel was founded in 1608 as a coaching inn, which is not quite the same thing, although particularly archaically the term "hotel" has been used for what we might today call a "pub". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:05, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
      Good discussion @Ritchie333:. What is the difference between "inn" and "hotel"? "The Royal Hibernian Hotel had been there for two centuries, beginning life as a coaching inn." [2]... Another first...Old Glenbigh Hotel[3]? Otherwise so enough, no copyvio issues, long enough, QPQ provided. Whispyhistory (talk) 19:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
      Well I'm not a reliable source, but as I understand it, an "inn" is somewhere you stayed overnight as part of an overall journey, while a "hotel" is somewhere you stayed as a temporary accommodation at the end of it. Since you can nowadays drive from Malin to Mizen in a day, this distinction has fallen out of use. As for what to do with the hook and the article, ALT1 : ... that the Royal Hibernian Hotel is thought to be one of the oldest hotels in Ireland? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:41, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
      Symbol question.svg Sorry for delayed reply. Did they all start as inns? Are these correct: The Royal Hibernian Hotel started in 1751 as a coaching inn [4]. Woodenbridge Hotel was founded in 1608 as an inn. The Glenbeigh Hotel dates back to 1792 when it opened its doors as a Stage Coach Inn [5]? I consider you very reliable btw...but who says it was the first? The source says when they closed, the Royal Hibernian Hotel claimed to be the first hotel in Ireland. If anyone else would like to help, please do. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
      There's a transcript of a paper on public dining in Ireland (which the main source used in the article is an extract from) that says "The origin of the Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dawson Street, goes back to 1751, which makes it the oldest known hotel in Ireland (Corr, 1987, p. 5)." I've got no idea what source is "Corr, 1987" but it does mean the claim to be oldest known hotel is a little more verifiable (as opposed to actually true). I think I'm going to need Smirkybec's collection of Irish book sources at this point to progress further. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
      Found the paper you mentioned "The origin of the Royal Hibernian Hotel, Dawson Street, goes back to 1751, which makes it the oldest known hotel in Ireland" [6]. You could add to the article as a source. What is "known hotel"? Does that mean the Woodenbridge Hotel was the first unknown hotel? Let me know what you find. This reminds me of the articles I did on first transplants...or first successful transplant... or first transplant in a human etc. Sorry for nit-picking. Whispyhistory (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
      Ritchie333, Whispyhistory, it's been a month since the last comments here. Where does this nomination/review stand? BlueMoonset (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
      Thanks @BlueMoonset:....Can someone help show this is the oldest hotel in Ireland? Whispyhistory (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
      There are no further references that I could find that would make this more clear cut. Perhaps stating the oldest hotel in Dublin is the closest we can get? Smirkybec (talk) 12:17, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
      I might be able to get my hands on the Corr text, but will that be deemed a definitive enough source? It's Hotels in Ireland by Frank Corr 1987. Smirkybec (talk) 12:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
      Thank you @Smirkybec: for investigating. Sorry @Ritchie333:, I had another look...oldest in Dublin is okay or if want to look further I found that the Irish poet Patrick Kavanagh has a story at that hotel [7]. It was also oncee described as Dublin's most fashionable hotel [8]. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
      I think going for "oldest in Dublin" will do - it's still hooky enough, and also it'll finally get this issue resolved. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:14, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

      Hanan Awwad

      Moved to mainspace by QuakerSquirrel (talk) and Salukk (talk). Nominated by QuakerSquirrel (talk) at 13:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC).

      General: Article is new enough and long enough
      Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

      Hook eligibility:

      • Cited: Green tickY
      • Interesting: Red XN - I dislike the "and was cultural advisor to Yasser Arafat" section. I feel like the hook should just be about 1 fact, squishing 2 together feels unnatural. I would remove this.
      QPQ: Done.

      Overall: Symbol possible vote.svgMcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:22, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

      Thanks for the review, Mcguy15.
      • Festival Internacional de Poesía de Medellin is an international festival that has been honored by the Right Livelihood Award, which is hosted by Swedish Parliamentarians. These facts suggest to me that it is reliable.
      • I removed the Amazon link.
      • I will check with

        Rolls-Royce Boat Tail

        Created by Jupitus Smart (talk). Self-nominated at 16:40, 9 June 2021 (UTC).


        General: Article is new enough and long enough

        Policy compliance:

        Hook eligibility:

        QPQ: Done.

        Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg The article really needs a picture. Perhaps we can find a picture of a boat tail model from the 1920-30s such as this Andrew🐉(talk) 14:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

        ALT1: ... that the Rolls-Royce Boat Tail, which is the world's most expensive street-legal new car, will have only three cars built?

        @Andrew Davidson:Modified the hook. Pretty sure the Lunar rover was not street legal. I have also removed the celebrity owner parts (they were added by some IPs). The backward copy template has been added. I have added all the information I could salvage into the article though because it is an ultra luxury car - the engineering parts also ended up sounding luxurious. I am not able to find a relevant image, not even one of the old boat tails (which are copyright free). I will try to add some more information to make it more neutral by the time you revisit the article. Best. Jupitus Smart 16:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
        • I browsed for sources myself to look for one that wasn't just churnalism – recycling a press release or other people's reports. I found a first-hand report which seems to ring true. One point made by this is that these vehicles are custom coach-built and so there's not a standard list price. The price will be individual to each client and RR aren't saying what it is, just as they aren't saying who the clients are. So, it seems difficult to make firm claims based on an unknown variable.
        • As for the street-legal idea, this would need confirmation. Sometimes, high-end cars are not street-legal and so can only be driven on race-tracks or private roads. And even some more mundane cars may not be legal in certain jurisdictions – see Illegal Vehicles Banned in America, for example.
        Andrew🐉(talk) 17:42, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

        ALT2: ... that the first Rolls-Royce Boat Tail comes with a Christofle crockery set? Source:

        @Andrew Davidson: How about a new hook like the one above?. Jupitus Smart 18:02, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
        Listing the various items of bling might make a good hook but we should avoid suggesting that these are standard production items as they are tailored to each client and there's only one example so far. I suggest "the first Rolls-Royce Boat Tail..."
        As for the issue of price and client confidentiality, you might emphasise this by saying that the rich client and exact price are not being divulged by RR so people are making guesses and estimates. This might give the hook an element of excitement and mystery...
        Andrew🐉(talk) 18:17, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
        @Andre Davidson: Necessary change incorporated. Please check Jupitus Smart 18:33, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
        I've got to work on my own DYK now so I'll get back to this tomorrow. Please ping me if I should forget... Andrew🐉(talk) 18:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
        @Andrew Davidson:, just a reminder as requested. Jupitus Smart 16:55, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
        • I looked through the article again and am not willing to pass this yet as I don't think enough has been done to address all the points made above. I may edit the article myself to demonstrate the way I think this should be handled. But, if I do so, we will then need another reviewer. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
        @Andrew Davidson: If you could please list the specific deficiencies, I would work on removing them. I am going on a long Wiki break now, and would not be able to follow up. Jupitus Smart 04:09, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
        @Andrew Davidson:, Any chance of going through the article again. Jupitus Smart 05:58, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
        I just checked to see if there's any continuing coverage and am not finding it. My impression is that the burst of news was essentially PR which echoed through the motoring press but has not been sustained. I reckon we need more to make something of this – a photo is especially needed. I'm still not willing to tick this but will stay alert. Feel free to ask for another reviewer, if you want a second opinion. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:22, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
        • Symbol delete vote.svg In the absence of improvements to the article and a request for a second review, I'm rejecting this nomination. BuySomeApples (talk) 06:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
        If possible please allow a second review to see if this can improve before rejecting the nomination. Jupitus Smart 18:04, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
        • Performance (textiles)

          Burberry advertisement for waterproof gabardine suit, 1908.
          Burberry advertisement for waterproof gabardine suit, 1908.
          • ... that performance is the ability of textiles (pictured) to withstand various conditions, environments, and hazards? Source: Kadolph, Sara J. (1998). Textiles. Upper Saddle River, New Jersey: Bobbs-Merrill Company. pp. 9, 11, 22, 23, 25, 392, 408, 407. ISBN 978-0-13-494592-7 – via Internet Archive.
            • ALT1:... that in terms of performance, treated wool is something of a miracle fabric (pictured).? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

          Created by RAJIVVASUDEV (talk), Dicklyon (talk), and 7&6=thirteen (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 13:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC) Performance (textiles)

          • Could somebody please explain what this is about. Thanks. -Roxy . wooF 15:51, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
          Sure. See WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 15:58, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
          Why would anybody nominate this bucket of gomutra for people to actually see how awful it is? Why am I listed as a creator, I didn't create this rubbish. Why can I not comment in this subject on the talk page of the article, where it appears? please unnominate this article collection of disparate factoids for DYK. Thanks. -Roxy . wooF 10:05, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
          Your true colors are showing. Alone, you wanted the article deleted, and others everyone else disagreed. I removed your name, per your request. 7&6=thirteen () 10:24, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
          You didn't answer any of my questions. Why didn't you answer any of my questions? -Roxy . wooF 10:35, 21 June 2021 (UTC)


          General: Article is new enough and long enough

          Policy compliance:

          Hook eligibility:

          Image eligibility:

          QPQ: Done.

          Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg There's some concern about the article title which might need thrashing out to ensure stability. "Textile performance" would be my suggestion. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

          • Comment I have no objection to renaming the article. Should that be brought up at the article's talk page? 7&6=thirteen () 15:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
          Close paraphrasing and copyvio has been a historical problem with the original creator of this article. A proposal to rename the article has already been made on the article Talk page. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 21:01, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
          Sour grapes. Your proposals are unrelated with the sources. We can go with Andrew's suggestion. RV (talk) 02:32, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
          Earwig is clear. The only thing it highlights is a quote about Gabardine. We could add that picture (the historic ad) to the DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 12:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
          • @Andrew Davidson: are you still working on this review? It looks like there were some additions made to the article at the beginning of the month but nothing since so it's fairly stable. The article isn't nominated for deletion and the title is fine (even if not your preferred title) so there's no reason for this nomination to be on hold. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
          User:Andrew Davidson I have proposed an ALT, inserted a picture. Are we GTG? 7&6=thirteen () 07:35, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
          The picture looks great for this topic – well done! I'll take another look through the article – more anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
          The ALT1 hook does not go well with the picture because the Burberry combination pictured seems to have been a cotton gabardine outer with a woolen lining. We might perhaps use the original hook but I reckon something more specific would be better. See this case study which explains how Burberry started with performance clothing. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:24, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

          Andrew In this context, Burberrry Gabardine is treated worsted wool, perhaps with some cotton, and definitely with lanolin. The ad itself says, "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" I think. So I submit the picture and the hook align. 7&6=thirteen () 10:50, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

          I would support Andrew Davidson's suggestion for an article rename to "Textile performance requirements" though "Fitness for purpose", i.e. what the article is about, would be better. Can this be dealt with before the DYK goes wherever it goes? I also note that there is no clarity as to the composition of gabardine in anything written here. Cotton? wool? lanolin? what knowledge are we going to impart to DYK readers? Will it be accurate, or do we not care? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
          Read the preceding post. Renaming the article is fine. That should be addessed at the article talk page, however. "A rose by any other name ..." 7&6=thirteen () 12:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
          The preceding post, which you wrote, says "Gabardiine outside; wool inside (both Burberry proofed)" which doesn't pass muster, so again I ask what is the composition of gabardine, Cotton? wool? lanolin? (hint: Lanolin would not be required as a component in the UK garment labelling requirements, so you just need to clarify what gabardine consists of. I'll wait in this shallow grave shall I? -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 15:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
          You could do this yourself, but that would be too much to ask. So I won't. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 15:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
          Following the above response, this article is clearly unsuitable for DYK. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

          Repetition doesn't make your observations any more persuasive. You said that before, and your colors are showing again. A leopard can't change its spots. And Ipse dixit doesn't apply. 7&6=thirteen () 16:34, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

          Here is the answer. "What is Gabardine – Fabric Guide, Uses and Care". and Varley, Rosemary; Roncha, Ana; Radclyffe-Thomas, Natascha; Gee, Liz (2018). CASE STUDY 10: Burberry and brand development and retail. Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach. United Kingdom: Macmillan International Higher Education. p. 208. ISBN 9781137508195. ISBN 1137508191. 7&6=thirteen () 16:42, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

          Articles created/expanded on June 20

          David Hale (baseball)

          David Hale pitching for the Atlanta Braves
          David Hale pitching for the Atlanta Braves
          • Reviewed: Joan Boada
          • Comment: The Athletic source is behind a paywall.

          Improved to Good Article status by GhostRiver (talk). Self-nominated at 14:31, 20 June 2021 (UTC).

          • Symbol possible vote.svgHi Kncny11, review follows: article promoted to GA on 20 June; is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't find any overly close paraphrasing from a sample of the sources; a QPQ has been carried out; image is OK and freely licensed. Couple of minor issues with the hooks as proposed:
          • ALT0: I couldn't find the date of his thesis mentioned in the article, it only discusses his graduation in 2011, did he go back after? His lumbar injury was in 2019 according to the article, though there is mention of a groin strain in 2015.
          • ALT1: The article doesn't say that he was released and re-signed on the same day, only that he was "briefly released"
          Other than that, looking good - Dumelow (talk) 07:20, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

          Articles created/expanded on June 21

          Klassische Philharmonie Bonn

          Klassische Philharmonie Bonn in 2011
          Klassische Philharmonie Bonn in 2011

          Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:51, 21 June 2021 (UTC).

          • Symbol question.svg While the article meets requirements and a QPQ has been performed (only issue is that "Singapur" should be "Singapore"), the hook is frankly not very interesting. A German orchestra performing in Germany almost feels like a given and doesn't really say anything "hooky" about the subject. Given the group's history, surely there's information out there about it that can be interesting even to non-opera fans? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:40, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
            I am sorry that the hook is obviously not clear enough. Two my knowledge, this is the only orchestra - but I'm not sure enough to say so - to run a concert series at twelve halls. I don't know any playing a series even at two. Can you help wording, - stress on "series", they play the same programs in all these cities. I don't understand though what's unclear. How can we add "different cities" without being clumsy and redundant (because even big cities have usually only one (sometimes two) "major concert hall". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
            ALT1: ... that the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured), a symphony orchestra founded and conducted by Heribert Beissel, has a tradition of playing a concert series at more than ten major halls of Germany?
            How is that? The twelfth was added recently, so we'd need to drop the elegance of a short number. We can only hope that the tradition will continue now that Beissel died. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:14, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
          You have to ask yourself this question: would someone who isn't into classical music find the original hook interesting? ALT1 is better (I'm not really sure if the mention of Beissel is essential to the hook but that's just me) and I'm more willing to approve it, although admittedly it's still a relatively niche hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
          • I have to note that the spelling of Singapore still hasn't been fixed in the article. I've somewhat warmed up to approving ALT1 as there appears to be no other suitable hook material at this time; however the article needs to be consistent: the lede still mentions the 12 number, however the list in the Wiener Klassik section only mentions 11. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
            I changed it to "ten and more", twelve seems to be the current number, but ten and eleven look like having the tradition. I also fixed the spelling that missed translation. In such cases, I simply do it myself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
          • ALT2 ... that the precursor ensemble of the Klassische Philharmonie Bonn (pictured) was founded in 1959 to perform music originally played at the Bonn court of the Electorate of Cologne? Grimes2 (talk) 18:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
          To be honest I was originally confused by ALT2's hook facts in the article, as I thought the predecessor group was founded to play music for the Electorate (as opposed to playing music that was originally performed during the electorate). In any case, the article wording could probably be rephrased to avoid confusion. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
           Done Grimes2 (talk) 04:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
          Thanks. I'd like to hear Gerda's thoughts on ALT2 first before proceeding. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
          My thoughts: while ALT2 is fine, I believe that ALT1 is a much more specific thing to say about the orchestra. There are several such focused groups named for what they focus one, but the present orchestra - which should stay bolded imho - left that focus. Actually, there may be an article about the predecessor group some day. IF we pursue ALT2, the name of that predecessor group should also be part of the hook to explain it. The electorate hangs in the air without the connection. - I tried to say nothing, but was asked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
          Adding the name of the predecessor group is going to make the hook too long: just adding the name alone would make ALT2 over 190 characters. Readers could always read the article itself if they want to learn more. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

          Articles created/expanded on June 22

          Permanent income hypothesis

          Improved to Good Article status by BasedMises (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 22 June 2021 (UTC).

          General: Article is new enough and long enough
          Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

          Hook eligibility:

          • Cited: Red XN - No
          • Interesting: Green tickY
          QPQ: None required.

          Overall: Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough and well sourced. No issues with neutrality or copyvio. The hook's interest seems fine to me but I rephrased it as ALT1 to address Daniel Case's concerns. One problem: the source cited in the hook does not seem to mention the "permanent income hypothesis" specifically. It definitely alludes to it, but I'd think a more precise source would be better. If that got added I would be ready to approve. BuySomeApples (talk) 08:31, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

          Does this work? BasedMisesMont Pelerin 01:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
          That could work. It's a primary source but the Nobel Foundation is reliable for information about the Nobel Prize. It could be used in combination with the original source you provided. There is one issue @BasedMises: the fact in the article it also has to be cited. The article cites Worek's offline book, so I'm assuming the book says that. If it doesn't we have to fix that. Otherwise we can (and probably should) use the citation from the article in the hook to keep it consistent. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
          • Pinging @BasedMises: it's been over a week and I wasn't sure if you saw the last comment. This nom needs just a little more work on the sources to get it up to spec. BuySomeApples (talk) 05:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
          Sorry. I kind of forgot about this. I think I'll add the Nobel source to the article.BasedMisesMont Pelerin 05:49, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
          • Don't worry about it! I figured you probably just forgot or were busy.

            Stadium district

            The Battery Atlanta, an example of a stadium district
            The Battery Atlanta, an example of a stadium district
            • ... that mixed-use stadium districts (example pictured) around major sports venues often include public squares, office space, hotels and residential units? Source: Various — see the sources in the "Characteristics" section
            • Reviewed: Chris Gittens
            • Comment: Thanks to TNats3 for starting this and leaving it in draftspace when he opted to create a more anonymous user account. This is rather different from my normal DYK fare.

            Moved to mainspace by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 23:53, 23 June 2021 (UTC).

            Articles created/expanded on June 25

            Psalm 86

            • ... that three verses from Psalm 86 became part of Mendelssohn's oratorio Elijah, including the opening "Lord, bow thine ear to our pray'r"? Source: several
            • Reviewed: Pole Vault (communications system)
            • Comment: Sigh, I tried to expand, thinking of Yoninah. Strictly speaking it's still too short. Only: the part that made it "long" was unsourced and is no longer in the article, because I don't understand what it was supposed to mean, so can't source it. IAR? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

            5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC).

            • Symbol delete vote.svg Regrettably, with a starting point of 833 prose characters, and a current length of 2846 prose characters (I am subtracting that odd IMSLP template-created text at the end of the Morales sentence that generated 106 characters that don't belong), this is not quite a 3.5x expansion, far from the required 5x. Even with the removed material, it didn't achieve 4x at 3259 prose characters, and IAR is simply not given for insufficient expansions. At this point, another 1301 prose characters will be needed for it to qualify for DYK. The article was nominated in time and a QPQ was supplied; given the significant length shortfall, I have not checked the sourcing against the article or made any of the policy checks. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
              I'll check tomorrow, - sorry, I had other issues, and was away all weekend. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
              • Gerda Arendt, I should probably note that as it is now, the article doesn't discuss the psalm at all in terms of its context or religious meaning. As such, I don't feel it deals adequately with the topic, which is the psalm itself. The music section, which mentions the music written to various combinations of psalm verses, is over 75% of the prose (and it's 85% including the summary in the lead). If you do add to the article, the new material will need to concentrate on the psalm itself. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
                Do you have an idea who could do that? Yoninah would have done it, compare Psalm 85. This is one of about 100 psalm articles missing that part. - For indenting, please see the essay at the top of User talk:Drmies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
                JohnThorne added to the analysis. Where are we then? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
                • Gerda Arendt, ignoring the odd IMSLP template-created text I mentioned above, which has yet to be removed, the article is at 3686 prose characters, and needs to be at 4165 prose characters. You might get there if the newly added first section of the Analysis, talking about the three parts, was put into prose rather than being a numbered list that doesn't count toward the total. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:30, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

                  Mary Dunn (sports executive)

                  • ... that in ice hockey, Mary Dunn "got many a free ride"? Source: [9]

                  Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 02:44, 27 June 2021 (UTC).

                  General: Article is new enough and long enough
                  Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

                  Hook eligibility:

                  • Cited: Green tickY
                  • Interesting: Green tickY
                  • Other problems: Red XN - Hook is unclear/misleading. The context of the "free ride" statement is that when Mary Dunn was on the University of Manitoba Bison women's hockey team, the team practiced with "Andy Blair and other members of the Bison men's hockey team. She recalled in a 1938 interview that the men did not hesitate to use physical contact and she 'got many a free ride' on the ice." Getting a "free ride" sounds to me like the men treated the women players easily which contradicts the idea of the men not hesitating to use physical contact. This is not explained in the article. However, the cited source does clarify it, saying, "Mrs. Jimmie Dunn remembers the time when Varsity girls' hockey team practised with such players as Andy Blair and his contemporaries. If a girl got in their way they would just lift her up and dump her elsewhere. Mrs. Dunn got many a free ride." [10] In other words, the "free ride" was from one part of the ice to wherever the other player put her. I would prefer to use a hook which is clear and not misleading on its own without having to refer to the underlying source to figure out what the hook even means.
                  QPQ: Done.

                  Overall: Symbol question.svg With a better hook, I would be fine with seeing this article at DYK. Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

                  • I am completely baffled and have no idea what the reviewer is trying to say. I fail to see what is unclear or misleading. If anyone knows how to fix the infobox image it would be greatly appreciated, since I cannot figure that out either. Flibirigit (talk) 14:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
                    • I have inquired at Wikipedia:Help desk for help with the image and asked a couple smarter editors to assist with the hook. Flibirigit (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
                      • The file was listed as 0×0 pixels so it wasn't displaying properly. I reuploaded it and it seems to be okay now. I also moved the fair use rationale to the licensing. The file page could use a description of the image in the summary section. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
                  • In ice hockey, is it common to refer to someone being lifted up by an opponent and placed somewhere else on the ice as "getting a free ride"? If it is, then I would be willing to withdraw my objection. But I can't find evidence of that. By contrast, see this New York Times article where "getting a free ride" implies being treated easily without being checked. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
                  • I think the quote "got many a free ride" is unclear in both the hook and the article (as compared to the source). We generally don't want the hooks to be confusing or misleading (outside of April Fools). It's unclear (a) what "free ride" means and (b) whether "got many" means that Dunn 'received many free rides' or 'gave free rides to many (others)'. In the context of university athletics, I thought a "free ride" meant a full scholarship, and that she somehow arranged these for many athletic students. Others might think this has something to do with a heavy check (ice hockey), that she was a very physical player who sent others flying. What the source means is that she was often picked up and carried by opposing male players during practices. In the 1930s, "free ride" was probably much more associated with transportation (migratory populations, hobos and such). The article should make this clear (the meaning, not the bit about hobos) and I feel an alternative phrasing for the hook is warranted. I also feel there could be another hook about her accomplishments as a sports organizer. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:47, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
                    • The following are some ALTs. – Reidgreg (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
                      • ALT0a: ... that Mary Dunn was often carried out of the way by male opponents during ice hockey practices?Source: [11]
                      • ALT0b: ... that male opponents often carried Mary Dunn out of their way during ice hockey practices?Source: [12]
                      • ALT1: ... that Mary Dunn organized women's athletics and ice hockey in 1930s Manitoba?
                  • I appreciate the suggestion of hooks, but I still do not comprehend what is being said. I will contemplate for several days, maybe a week, then comment when I am ready. Flibirigit (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
                  • Going off of Reidgreg ALT suggestions: HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:01, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
                  • ALT0a: ... that Mary Dunn was often carried out of the way by male opponents during ice hockey practices, which she described as a free ride?
                  • ALT0b: ... that male opponents often gave Mary Dunn a free ride by carrying her of their way during ice hockey practices?
                  • ALT0c: ... that the

                    Early life and career of Joe Biden

                    Joe Biden in the 1950s
                    Joe Biden in the 1950s

                    Created by Ganesha811 (talk). Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk) at 02:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol delete vote.svg I don't think this is eligible. Per WP:DYK: a "new" article is no more than seven days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article and The content with which the article has been expanded must be new content, not text copied from other articles. As this is spin-off from Joe Biden, it isn't eligible in its current form. It would be if promoted to GA status, though. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
                    Symbol possible vote.svg Changing icon to a more appropriate one pending the result of the GA nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

                    Articles created/expanded on July 1

                    Safad El Battikh, Kafra, Lebanon and Ayta al-Jabal

                    Map of the area, ca 1880s
                    Map of the area, ca 1880s

                    Created by Huldra (talk). Self-nominated at 20:23, 8 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • I'll be reviewing these shortly, inşallah. Afraid I think the map is not interesting enough though. QPQ? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:52, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
                    We can think more about the hook later but for now what do you think about linking "Ottoman" to Ottoman archives?Chidgk1 (talk) 13:10, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    I am having trouble finding the villages in the book e.g. at so might the names be transliterated differently? Not really useful for DYK as behind a login but is it worth me logging on to to try and find the document? I know a little Turkish but I don't know the Ottoman language so would it be too difficult or do you know exactly what I would search for? Chidgk1 (talk) 13:15, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Checked all articles new enough and long enough, Earwig found no copyvio Chidgk1 (talk) 13:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    You have put "area" in infobox but I could not find cite. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Notified Huldra that the ball is now in her court Chidgk1 (talk) 14:50, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Symbol question.svg Inserting the blue question mark as the standard indicator that a DYK review is in progress. Flibirigit (talk) 23:22, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    • User:Chidgk1 Thank you for your comments! I'm sorry, but forgot the QPQ; will start on it as soon as I have answered here.
                    • As for the HA-book (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah-book =1596 info): it is in English; and the identification is done via grid-numbers; for Kafra 183/286 Palestine grid; apparently it was called Kfur Tibnin in 1596; ie you have to search for the 1596 name, not the present name. (I have the tables; and the key, on my computer, and can send it to you, if you like?) (I am afraid old history like this is very rarely available on the net; at least not in this area). (Also; "Kfur Tibnin" has dots over the "U" and the second "I"; search does not work for me on
                    • It would be great to have a link directly to the original Defter, if they are online? I could give you the defter-number? But I suspect that will not be easy if you are not pretty confident in Turkish...and useless if that Safad-defter is not online.
                    • The "area" in infobox is given in the localiban-ref, same for elevation; I guess I should add them as a ref? Now it is only linked under "External links",
                    • And I would love to have a better picture; I don't have high hopes though; few of these villages have pictures uploaded of them. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    • Reviewing Svante Odén Huldra (talk) 22:28, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Yes please make localiban a ref for area. I managed to log in so please could you put the defter number in a footnote to the article (if you don't know how to do a footnote put it here and I will do) so I can search - thanks Chidgk1 (talk) 06:30, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
                    User:Chidgk1: It is defter no 72 (="the number which they bear in the Tapu ve Kadastro Arsivi in Ankara"); located in Ankara. According to HA (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah), p. 4, it is from 1596/97 CE (=1005 H), but according to Rhode (citing Bernard Lewis) p. 6 it is from 1548/9 CE (=955AH), cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:09, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
                    I could not find the document under defter number 72 (could be my incompetence). But searching for keyword Safed (presumably the republican spelling/transliteration) with a date of 1005H shows 3 documents including:

                    Belge Özeti : Safed livasının kanunnamesiyle nüfus ve hasılatını ve tımarlarını ve evkafını havi mufassal tahrir defteri.

                    Yer Bilgisi : 686 -

                    Belge Tarihi : H-29-12-1005

                    Kurum : TT.d...

                    I cannot read Ottoman so I don't know if that is the right one, but if you think it might be I guess if we mention it in a footnote then hopefully an expert would be able to confirm or deny in future? It is a bit ridiculous that only Turkish nationals can log in - do you know a suitable Turkish academic or if not I will try and find one. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

                    I am sorry, I don't know any Turkish academics. There are 6-700 references to the HA 1596 defter (a list here: User:Huldra/HA) on en.wp; it would be absolutely great if we one day could link directly to the original defter! If/when that day comes; I would go through User:Huldra/HA and link them all....Huldra (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Also; I see that the Facebook page of

                    Fixed anvil temperature hypothesis

                    Anvil clouds rising over a thunderstorm
                    Anvil clouds rising over a thunderstorm

                    Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 3 July 2021 (UTC).


                    General: Article is new enough and long enough

                    Policy compliance:

                    • Adequate sourcing: Red XN - We seem to be at the frontiers of science with this topic and so the extent to which such sources can be considered reliable is debatable. I'd prefer a MEDRS level of sourcing – reviews or other statements of general consensus.
                    • Neutral: Red XN - The article says that the hypothesis is "widely accepted" but that's not quite my impression. The source for that para says that it's popular but then proceeds to argue against it.
                    • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: Green tickY

                    Hook eligibility:

                    • Cited: Red XN - The hook's expression "anvil clouds warm less than Earth's surface" is an over-simplication which distorts the hypothesis. As I understand it, the hypothesis is that anvil clouds tend to top out in a fixed way, you'd get more of them with general warming and so there's a positive feedback. Expressing this succinctly and accurately in a hook seems difficult.
                    • Interesting: Green tickY

                    Image eligibility:

                    QPQ: Done.

                    Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I'm tempted to edit the article myself but will give the nominator some space first... Andrew🐉(talk) 09:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

                    • Jo-Jo Eumerus, Andrew Davidson, it's been three weeks since the review and I don't see any article edits; where does this nomination stand? Jo-Jo Eumerus, please note that responding inside that DYK checklist template can prevent the approved nomination from being moved by the bot to the Approved page; I'd like to suggest that you move your comments so they are below the template (either just above or just below this comment), so their placement doesn't cause issues down the road. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
                      OK, moved my comments to all the red issues here:
                      • According to Web of Science, this is the only review article available. There is also this IPCC report which mentions it. You are not going to get an useful article out of only review articles, though. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
                      • That wouldn't be a very high-weight objection, then, since it'd be backed by only one paper. From reading the rest of the literature I get the impression that only the two refinements discussed but they apparently haven't caught on yet. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
                      • No, the hypothesis is precisely that anvil clouds don't warm if Earth's surface does. Their total volume is a different theory altogether. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
                      • Changed the caption, but I am not sure if the image description is enough of a source for the caption to say "Hector". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

                    93% Club

                    • ... that the 93% Club is the alternative to the Bullingdon Club? Source: "We can all picture that archetypal Bullingdon Club member clad in a bespoke £3,500 tailcoat, bought specially for the riotous dinners that are the hallmark of this famously snobbish Oxford University drinking club. At our ‘alternative Bullingdon’ club, though, a £10 hoodie and jeans is permissible." ([13])
                      • ALT1:... that the 93% Club is named for the proportion of university undergraduates who were state educated? Source: "Sophie describes the 93% Club as the "reverse Bullingdon Club" - the opposite of the private male-only dining club at Oxford University whose past members include David Cameron, George Osborne and Boris Johnson. Despite representing 93% of the population, "state-educated students struggle to see themselves reflected in the UK's decision makers, chief executives, actors, artists and the like" ([14])
                    • Reviewed: Françoise Hardy
                    • Comment: I am one of the 93% (three A-levels, state comprehensive)

                    Created by 15 (talk) and Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 15:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol question.svg Article's new and long enough, and within policy. Hook wording may need slight revisions; "the alternative to" seems to suggest a similar club, not a deliberate opposite as is the case here. ALT1 would work if it's clarified that the statistics are for UK universities; perhaps something like this?
                    ALT2: ... that the 93% Club is named for the proportion of UK undergraduates who were state-educated?
                    Hope this is helpful.--Lemuellio (talk) 20:49, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
                    ALT2 works for me. Do we need a new reviewer now? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
                    I think the 93% refers to the share of the UK population (The Foundation – named after the percentage of people who are state school educated in the UK [15]), not just students. It should just be replaced by "share of British people" or similar, I have fixed the error in the article. 15 (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

                    Theatre of the World

                    Moved to mainspace by Thelisteninghand (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:13, 10 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol question.svg The article meets DYK requirements and no close paraphrasing was found. A QPQ has been done. The hook fact, while mentioned in the article's lede section, does not have a footnote in the relevant sentence. More importantly however, the hook admittedly seems plain (it just says that it premiered in Los Angeles, which isn't really a hooky fact). I think there's more potential in the "grotesque stagework" angle or perhaps something based on the reception section. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:06, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
                    • It should also be noted that Thelisteninghand left a comment earlier in the nomination which for some reason they commented out; it can be seen when editing this page. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:06, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
                      I think it's quite a surprise that the work by a Dutch composer premieres in Los Angeles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
                    It's not very clear in the hook and the way it's written doesn't really make for an interesting fact by itself. Can you expand the article and propose other alternative facts? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:18, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    • Suggesting an ALT:
                    ALT1 ... that Theatre of the World, the fifth opera by Louis Andriessen, has been described as a "grotesque stagework"?
                    I also note that the article states that the opera received mixed reviews, but the actual article text doesn't suggest that at all (and indeed the quotes given are either neutral or positive).

                    Rainer Trost

                    • Reviewed: to come

                    Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy, but this hook is pretty awful. Tenor does job is not all that interesting, and, let's face it, performing internationally is what working opera singers do. Gerda Arendt, perhaps with a little digging some other more interesting fact might reveal itself? Perhaps some sort of critical assessment of his voice from a recording review or performance?4meter4 (talk) 02:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
                      Thank you. Article was translated, and when it was time to nominate, there was just time to format some things, not to expand. I'll see what I can do, but other things have waited for longer, such as improving a singer from stub status, and there are more articles waiting for the formatting step. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
                      I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Ezo chipmunk, working on my reviewing backlog first. This is #2 in the article backlog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
                      4meter4, I added a review now, but it's fine - and could be quoted more - not really attention-grabbing. This one is known for Mozart roles, so why not mention that? We could name roles - some known, some unknown - and I tried to name locations to hint at importance. Being called to a place again and again tells us something about the impression he made. How could we say elegantly that he sang several of these at both places? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
                    • @4meter4: Suggesting an alt: ALT1 ... that prior to starting his operatic career, tenor Rainer Trost studied law? Looking at the article, personally I thought that him studying law before becoming a singer was more interesting and unusual than performing in multiple places. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:09, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
                      Many singers did something else before turning to singing. This one sang Mozart Mozart Mozart and little else, - that is specific about him. (Others focus on Bach, or Wagner, or have no spcialty.) Any help to say that + that he received international invitations welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
                    I would disagree that he has done little else outside Mozart in opera. Just take a look at his diverse repertoire on opera base and His work encompasses Handel, Britten, Wagner, Berg, Donizetti, Rossini, Beethoven, Strauss, Stravinsky, etc. Yes, Mozart has been an area he has excelled in, but certainly not the only thing he has done. Recently there doesn’t seem to be much Mozart on his schedule, and he’s done other operas like Lulu at La Monnaie, Death in Venice at the Vienna State Opera, and The Flying Dutchman at Bayreuth.4meter4 (talk) 23:02, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Honestly I don't think the average reader would really find it that interesting that he performed Mozart in different places. Remember that most of Wikipedia's readers probably don't know much about opera, so what's really needed is to highlight some fact about the subject that even these kinds of readers can appreciate. Having a hook that essentially requires deeper knowledge about opera and composers makes for a very narrow-focused and niche hook, which goes against the spirit of DYK's aim to appeal to the widest audience. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:21, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Repeating: A reader who would not want to know what kind of tenor some tenor is will not enjoy any of the article. 4meter4, what would you say for a hook? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Gerda, are you trying to say that the hook is supposed to appeal to a smaller audience? Wouldn't the goal be to make sure that the article can be enjoyed by anyone regardless of background, rather than only those who have an interest in opera? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Well honestly I like Narutolovehinara5’s alternative suggestion based on the content currently in the article. It’s the most interesting piece of personal information that makes this particular singer different. There’s a lot of Mozart singing opera performers who travel to perform, and as I said above it’s a boring fact. The fact that he studied law but switched paths to opera adds a human element which is appealing. If you want to highlight his work in Mozart, I suggest finding a source which has something interesting to say about his work as a Mozart specialist (preferably a quote by critic or musicologist) and than using that as a hook. As it stands I am not sold on the Mozart roles in multiple cities idea. Being one of the most frequently performed opera composers, Mozart is the bread and butter of about half of all opera singers. They all travel to do his operas in cities around the globe. It’s not an unusual fact.4meter4 (talk) 12:24, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Go ahead, I have no time to argue. If I was Mr. Trost I'd not like something I left behind being the only thing said about my current work, but ... - Can we perhaps add German lyric tenor, to distinguish from heldentenors? - Very few sing Mozart well, but he does, compared favorably to the unique Fritz Wunderlich. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    We even have Mozart tenor, - the things I learn. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Thank you for the offer, perhaps:
                    *ALT2a: ... that Rainer Trost became recognised internationally in 1992 appearing as Ferrando in Mozart's Così fan tutte in Paris, with conductor John Eliot Gardiner?
                    ... or without Gardiner, or other combinations --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Again, hooks about performing roles. In addition, the hook doesn't address 4meter4's original concern about being a hook that's about a tenor doing his job. I'd heavily advise against it, unless perhaps a review could be found about his Ferrando role and some quotes about it could be mentioned in the hook. Something like "that a review of Rainer Trost's breakthrough role as Ferrando in Così fan tutte as [insert quote here]". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:41, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Gardiner needs to be in the article, to start with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    I do like the alternative hook by Grimes2 because it is more specific and working with a major conductor like Gardiner is a more interesting fact. However, as Gerda pointed out that content is not currently in the article. If it is added with an inline citation to a verifiable source I would think we could approve ALT2.4meter4 (talk) 15:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    I prefer ALT2a, it's more elegant. Gardiner's recording is mentioned in the article under Recordings/DVD. Grimes2 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Yes, but the hook fact about it being his breakthrough role or being recognized internationally isn't in the article.4meter4 (talk) 16:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

                    Wolf Matthias Friedrich

                    5x expanded by Grimes2 (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 22:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol question.svg Article meets DYK requirements, close paraphrasing found, QPQ provided. The hook is yet another "actor plays a role" hook, which isn't really a surprising or notable fact, not to mention the hook is reliant on knowledge about opera. Can something else about Friedrich's life or career be mentioned here instead? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:14, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                      You are welcome to search, but I picked this as unusual, pointing at his interest in the revival of forgotten music, at a notable festival whicih also provides a location (sparing the need to say "German bass" which would cause a link - to bass - which I try to avoid). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
                    • ALT1: ... that Wolf Matthias Friedrich, bass with a preference for Baroque opera, has performed at Handel Festival and Schwetzingen Festival? Grimes2 (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
                      Thank you for the offer, but ... - bass has too many meanings, same for Handel festival (there are three in Germany alone). Also: singing at festivals is really just a singer doing his job. Performing a very specific exceptional thing is much more, imho. Telling our readers he dares to do a modern revival tells them a lot about him. Many other singers would stick to the standard repertoire. I prefer to give a specific example, instead of a general "preference of Baroque opera" (which would also be better with a link). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
                    ALT0 is the best hook possible for that unknown singer. It's a "actor plays a role" hook, but the biographies in the bible of opera singers "Großes Sängerlexikon" consists mainly of roles. That's nothing bad for a hook. Grimes2 (talk) 13:25, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Can more information about Friedrich's early and personal life be added to the article, if possible? Maybe there's more information about him out there that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:01, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
                    No information available. Grimes2 (talk) 09:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
                    Sorry if I wasn't clear, but I was asking Gerda. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
                    But I wrote large parts of the article, and know the sources. Grimes2 (talk) 09:44, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
                    I don't know, but honestly the hook isn't really that interesting to non-opera fans, at least as currently written. Had the opera at least been one that was fairly well-known in the public consciousness, perhaps the hook would have work, but that isn't the case here. If there's really nothing else that can be used as a hook material then unfortunately the nomination may need to be closed as unsuccessful. He seems to have had a successful career but it appears that perhaps the article just wasn't meant to be for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
                    I think under this conditions it's better to abandon that nomination. What do you think, Gerda? Grimes2 (talk) 10:18, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

                    Cornelia Chase Brant

                    Cornelia Chase Brant when she was dean of her college
                    Cornelia Chase Brant when she was dean of her college
                    • ... that Nellie Chase (pictured) dreamed of becoming a doctor and did not go to medical college until she was 35 but rose to become its head?

                    5x expanded by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol question.svg Article looks good and well sourced, eligible for DYK. However, I think the hook might need some work: it would be helpful to name her institution (New York Medical College and Hospital for Women), as well as make it more clear that she became the dean at the same college she studied at, because the phrases "go to medical college" and "rose to become its head" are very vague. I'm also not sure whether it would be accurate to call her "its head"; it says in the article that she became dean of the college, which may or may not be the title for the head of the college, but it is not clarified in any of the sources as to whether this is the case. Otherwise, I think this article is ready for DYK.alphalfalfa(talk) 04:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

                    Energy in Turkey

                    • ... that the 2019 to 2023 strategic plan for energy in Turkey was published in 2020? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT1:... that the 2019 strategic plan for energy in Turkey was published in 2020? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT2:... that lots of energy in Turkey is under the Black Sea? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT3:... that lots of energy in Turkey is underground and under the Black Sea? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT4:... that much energy in Turkey is underground and under the Black Sea? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT5:... that a lot of energy in Turkey is underground and under the Black Sea? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT6:... that plenty of energy in Turkey is underground and under the Black Sea? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT7:... that energy in Turkey underground and under the Black Sea contains greenhouse gases? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
                    • ALT8:... that a large amount of energy in Turkey is underground and under the Black Sea? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

                    Improved to Good Article status by Chidgk1 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC).

                    • Symbol question.svg Article does meet DYK requirements as a new GA, I didn't find any close paraphrasing, and a QPQ has been done. The hook however isn't very interesting and doesn't really say much about the article subject itself. Could alternative proposals be provided here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Is it not interesting that the plan was published a year after the period started? Maybe that is common where you live too? In UK a (non secret) government plan would be published beforehand so the public could comment. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
                    It's not about commonality, it's just not a hook that would catch attention. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
                    OK I made it a bit more obvious Chidgk1 (talk) 12:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
                    I don't know, I really don't think this direction is working out. Could you try proposing a different hook fact? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:01, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

                    If you like ALT2 I will add cite.Chidgk1 (talk) 10:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

                    I think there's potential in ALT2's hook fact, but its current wording could probably still be improved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:42, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
                    As for ALT2 itself, it's not really explicitly stated in the article: the article states that a gas field was found under the Black Sea, and also states that it could fuel most of Turkey's residential energy needs this decade. Perhaps a hook based on that could also work? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Once you are happy with the hook wording (suggest wording if you have ideas) I will make sure it is in article and cited properly before you tick it off. How about ALT3? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:06, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Perhaps change "lots of" to something else? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Have added ideas - do you have an idea? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:34, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
                    "Plenty"/"Lots of" don't really sound encyclopedic, which was the thought I had. Perhaps something like "Significant energy resources..." or wording to that effect? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:08, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
                    I thought the DYK could be more playful than an article in order to be more catchy?. If you want something encyclopedic why not go with the original hook? That is encyclopedic and boring unless the reader takes a second look, after which it also sounds outrageous (well to me having come from UK anyway and presumably in USA plans are published before they start). This is our dry Brit style. Anyway I added ALT7 for your consideration. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:12, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
                    I think some variation of ALT6 is our best option here, there just have to be a more encyclopedic wording than "a lot" or "plenty". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Not quite sure what you mean by "more encyclopedic wording" - if ALT4 is not a more encyclopedic wording please suggest a complete hook. Chidgk1 (talk) 15:15, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Does "a large amount" work? Pamzeis (talk) 08:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
                    Thanks - ALT8 fine by me Narutolovehinata5? Chidgk1 (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

                    Sunday Lecture Society

                    Created by Aussie Article Writer (talk). Self-nominated at 11:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC).